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I reckon a unicoil would be the way to go. If you bend a copper insert the right shape, put it in the hose, put the hose in the oven, then drop the hose in freezing water you should end up with a nice moulded hose!

As for the clutch installation, I'm pretty sure you need to measure it and enter one of the values as that value is used to determine the remaining clutch life. If you're dodgy you can fiddle with that value to make it look like you have a longer clutch life than you actually do.

All my new bearings are on the way, so depending on how things get held up in quarantine I could potentially have all my parts to install the clutch next week!
 
As for the clutch installation, I'm pretty sure you need to measure it and enter one of the values as that value is used to determine the remaining clutch life. If you're dodgy you can fiddle with that value to make it look like you have a longer clutch life than you actually do.
Again that's not how it works. You install the clutch, see what the clutch position is and that becomes your new clutch closed value.

Nothing else is used in clutch wear calculations. Its assumed a new clutch to fully worn is 5.6mm differernce between the new clutch closed position and the current clutch closed position.

So you set that. You reset the wear index. And you dial in the PIS.


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Discussion starter · #63 ·
Again that's not how it works. You install the clutch, see what the clutch position is and that becomes your new clutch closed value.

Nothing else is used in clutch wear calculations. Its assumed a new clutch to fully worn is 5.6mm differernce between the new clutch closed position and the current clutch closed position.

So you set that. You reset the wear index. And you dial in the PIS.


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Ok, so my understanding of this I would follow these steps:

1. After new clutch is installed run the self-learn calibration on the X431
2. Take the new clutch closed position and write that value to clutch position in clutch configuration.
3. Set the PIS to 4.8
4. Going to have to check to see how to reset the wear index on the X431, not sure which menu that's in

Sounds pretty straight forward, does this sound correct then?
 
Discussion starter · #64 · (Edited)
One other thing, does anyone know how to obtain the shop manuals for the coupes? My neighbor with a 48 Ford pickup calls me a wuss but actually torqueing to spec would be nice....Then again he's always picking up parts off the road.

NVM - found some links, Got one off of ebay.....not that good but it has some torque specs...
 
Discussion starter · #70 ·
Everything's out, just got the flywheel back from the machine shop. Took the old hose off of the F1 reservoir, it was hardened and perforated:

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So for the replacement hose, I tried Lambertius's suggestion of heating in an oven and quenching it in an ice bath. It kind of worked but ended up still kinking on the radius. I few SS hose clamps fixed that.

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Now it's time to put everything back in.....
 
Discussion starter · #72 ·
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That's what i originally posted I was going to use. But I'm finishing this up by the weekend and Amazon doesn't have one for prime delivery. Cant get them locally and frankly it's not necessary, there's little risk of the hose clamps cutting into the hose.
 
Discussion starter · #74 ·
So the clutch replacement has been completed successfully. I want to thank everyone that was so helpful in getting me on the right track. Interesting to think I just got this car 2 months ago and had no idea that the Maserati Coupe even existed let alone an f1 transmission. Looking back at it now, yes it was a bit of a pain in the ass to do. But I can assure you, besides the old Saab 900's, this job is easier than 99.9% of the cars out there. No need to pull the engine/transmission, radiator, A/C, etc to get the clutch out. I was able to do the job in my garage by myself with only assistance needed a couple times. It honestly took me about 4 solid days to do the entire procedure. Special thanks to Lambertius and Craig Waterman for providing the critical information to get the job done. I'm going to just provide my own personal take away from the guides/videos these gentleman have provided.

How to change a Clutch in a F1 Maserati

Lambertius's Clutch Change Video

1. I don't have access to a lift as I haven't wrenched in 30 years. So I constructed a vehicle stand out of 2x4's, super sturdy and worked great.

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2. Since I wasn't using a lift, the first job was to remove the mufflers and half-shafts FIRST as I needed all 4 wheels on the car for my jenga blocks. After getting the rear on jack stands, i found the rear wheels were literally fused to the hubs. Even a sledgehammer on a block of wood would not budge the rims off. So to avoid damage, I had a neighbor help me with a bottle jack and stud to press the rims off hydraulically.

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3. I carefully reviewed Craig's blog and Lambertius's video. For me, I found there was No need to remove the gearbox. I followed the procedure but simply slid the transmission back far enough for the torque tube to clear. The front of the gearbox was supported by the subframe, the rear with a transmission jack.

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4. The rest of the removal was straight foward. Definitely need 2 guys to pull the torque tube, it's quite heavy.

5. My old clutch was definitely toast.
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6. For the reinstallation, I had the flywheel machined at my machine shop which cost me $75. New parts included the clutch assembly, pilot bearing, clutch shaft bearing, Hill Engineering throwout bearing, preload springs. I have an image of the Scuderiaparts invoice earlier in this thread if anyone wants the part numbers. Craig mentioned there's a TSB on the clutch shaft bearing and it should be loctited in using retaining compound. Napa was the only local parts supplier that carried it. In my rush to get this done, I had forgotten to use the clutch shaft to align the friction disc and bolt in the clutch assembly. The clutch shaft was already installed with the retainging compound and I wasnt about to undo it. Craig said it should be fine to just install it, but I found it was a no go. Getting that clutch housing isnt easy and it must be perfectly aligned. I tried for over an hour to get the clutch housing in, it just would not go. I coated the nose of the input shaft with marine grease, you can see where it was contacting the pilot bearing (thats leftover bread inside from driving the old bearing out btw):

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Amazon to the rescue, this worked perfectly:

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7. Everything else went back in very easily now that I was familiar with it. I Used the transmission jack to get the torque tube back in. Next was to replace the hydraulic hoses on the gearbox. One of the reservoir hoses had already failed so I decided it would be a good time to replace all the accessible low pressure lines. They were all hard as a rock:

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8. With everything buttoned up, I used the X431 to reading clutch configuration which mine showed as (19.7mm) and then wrote that value. Read again to confirm it had written. Turned the ignition off then back on to save. Craig has a very specific way he sets up the initial PIS which allows for thermal expansion and bed in. This is still a work in progress as the PIS is being fine tuned as the clutch breaks in. We started at 4.5mm, Im now at 4.9mm which stalled once in sport mode. I will be adjusting again until it's perfectly tuned with the X431. It's an invaluable tool, I wouldn't own this car without it. 300 miles now on the car and I'm pretty thrilled. Thanks again to everyone that helped!
 
Discussion starter · #79 ·
DoggyDaddy - the front grill on your car, do you know where it's from or who made it? I don't think it's factory, but it look really good.
kpytoi1,

The grill came with the car. I'm not certain but I took the grill off to repair the broken trident and it looked stock to me? Ive seen several photos online of coupes with the same grill. Like this one:

Coupe for Sale

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I checked scuderia, they show the Gransport style mesh grill? I have no idea :unsure:!
 
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