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Definitely won’t from now on! Thank you! Your dedication to this forum is impressive and greatly appreciated for new owners like myself.
It's cool..I pretty much point people in the right direction on here and folks send me cars so it is a win win for everyone...That being said I like being on here..Lots of good dudes...A few turds..;) Jason
 
Newer cars have lighter valve train components...That is why you use small chains..You don't want a big two row heavy ass chain...As the engine starts to turn a lot of RPM the shear mass and the irregular load because of the cam lobs causes the big chain to kinda beat itself to death...Older cars didn't break the chains, but they would get sloppy when the car got old and the cam timing would be off a lot...Some manufactures have had timing chain/tensioners issues...Most all this stuff is made by INA...They supply a lot of manufactures...Jason
 
Belts are lighter and the engine stays in time better over its lifetime because of the service interval...They are also easier to design as you don't need a timing cover to seal the oil in, oil squirters, etc..Think about how long Ferrari ran timing belts? The Dino engine, V12, the boxer....Even Nascar pushrod engines run a timing belt these days..Obviously, the service interval of the belt is the issue in a passenger car, but some newer belts can last 100K... J
 
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German engineering...They use so many parts...Check it out..Land Rover has been involved with BMW and Ford..A 2005 RR was BMW and a 2006 was a Ford joint venture... Same basic chassis...Ford did the exact thing with the vehicle with like half the parts as BMW..All their wiring harness, fuseboxes, etc are so much better...You may not like Ford, but they can build a vehicle in a very efficient manner and are good at it..J
 
Those old Mercedes came with a single row chain and that didn't work out and they had to be converted to a dual roller chain...The issue with that old stuff was the weight of the valve train components..The newer stuff is way lighter by a ton so you can use small chains.. Some manufactures have it figured out and some don't...Honestly newer stuff gets good gas mileage and makes big power but it is all fragile..I don't think Mercedes has a lot of issues...Land Rover and Jaguar do...BMW has issues in some engines...Jason
 
Here a crazy gear drive system...Maserati took the Enzo engine for the MC12 and swapped the timing chains for a gear drive setup..Probably noisy as hell!

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Seems that for road cars the use of timing chains is a reasoned and reasonable choice. Folks probably should not be too upset if a changeout of chain, sprockets, guides, and tensioner(s) is planned-for, even at 125,000 mile intervals. I say this based on modern day motor oils and chain technology.

Direct injection by comparison, it seems, puts soot crystals into the motor oil (I'm told) and these apparently are hard on chains, rollers, sprockets. Someone really would have to convince me that for a not-driven-on-a-short-cycle basis car - that going longer than 5,000 miles between oil changes is a good thing...
Now you did it..You poked the internet bear on oil change intervals bro....Here we go...;) J
 
Since we are talking timing chains...Some of your later engines have it located at the rear of the engine...Apparently, you get torsional vibrations when the chain is on the front of the engine and that transfers to the valve train and makes it inaccurate...Putting it at the rear reduces that...I'm not a engineer...This is what I read in service information BTW...A later QP with V8 is like this and so is some Land Rover engines and some BMWs engines... Recognize any RWD car that has a setup like that and it gets a timing chain issue then you are gonna be in the house of pain...Just saying..J