[Maserati_Kazakhstan]

@Maserati Blue

Well, my father bought the car used (1 Owner, California) in the US in mid 2007 with around 16,000 miles and then simply imported it to Kazakhstan. It has since been driven only for 2-3 months per year since we bought it. This car has been transferred to me about 3 weeks ago as a gift, I was so excited that I drove a whole 800 miles in 3 weeks...

Although it is a common perception, thanks to the horrible movie "Borat" that we are an under developed country using horses as transport(!), super cars and exotics of all sorts are common - all the way up to 2 Bugatti Veyrons, one Koenigsegg, a few Pagani Zondas, an Enzo, quite a lot of Lamborghini's, Ferrari's, SLR, Porsche, Maserati and etc etc....

1) I couldn't fix the glove box for some reason, although I did follow the guide on the forum

2) The speakers turned out to be fine, it was the amplifier that got blown. It has since been fixed, but I can't install it since I am scared of driving the car to the sound specialist due to the car behaving crazily with CEL...so that's a huge bummer as summer is nearly ending, and it will sit in the garage until 2013...

3) I have contacted a Bentley dealer, the mechanics of which also service all the exotics in our country (except of the rich guys that send their exotics to Italy for an oil change haha) and they said that a Maserati could be diagnosed with the Ferrari software they have...I am kind of doubtful, but since Ferrari/Maserati share internals - why not? I need your input on this...

At the moment I gave the car to a mechanic, my father long time friend and a good specialist (managed to fix our Rolls Royce suspension problem) lets see what he says...

 

[Maserati Blue]

@Maserati Blue

Well, my father bought the car used (1 Owner, California) in the US in mid 2007 with around 16,000 miles and then simply imported it to Kazakhstan. It has since been driven only for 2-3 months per year since we bought it. This car has been transferred to me about 3 weeks ago as a gift, I was so excited that I drove a whole 800 miles in 3 weeks...

wow very interesting history!

Although it is a common perception, thanks to the horrible movie "Borat" that we are an under developed country using horses as transport(!), super cars and exotics of all sorts are common - all the way up to 2 Bugatti Veyrons, one Koenigsegg, a few Pagani Zondas, an Enzo, quite a lot of Lamborghini's, Ferrari's, SLR, Porsche, Maserati and etc etc....

Everyone knows that Borat is just a comedy, we know what Kazakhstan is all about! Not all of us around here are ignorant you know

btw, just last week I was in Azerbaijan, lots of exotics there too but I couldn't find a Maserati dealer

1) I couldn't fix the glove box for some reason, although I did follow the guide on the forum

2) The speakers turned out to be fine, it was the amplifier that got blown. It has since been fixed, but I can't install it since I am scared of driving the car to the sound specialist due to the car behaving crazily with CEL...so that's a huge bummer as summer is nearly ending, and it will sit in the garage until 2013...

3) I have contacted a Bentley dealer, the mechanics of which also service all the exotics in our country (except of the rich guys that send their exotics to Italy for an oil change haha) and they said that a Maserati could be diagnosed with the Ferrari software they have...I am kind of doubtful, but since Ferrari/Maserati share internals - why not? I need your input on this...

1) The latch gets a little loose over the years, ask your mechanic to take a look.

2) Problem diagnosed. Now all you have to do is decide if you are going to put an original unit or some other brand.

3) They are right! Ferrari and Maserati had a diagnostic device called SD2, each company had its own SD2 and eventually the newer version called SD3 supports both brands in one device. Both SD2 and SD3 devices have been now replaced by the new Diagnosi device, which also supports both brands.

So what they are telling you is true, if they have an SD device, they can definitely read the codes and tell you what is wrong!


PS:
I still believe you should get your own OBD II reader, so you'll be able to read the codes on your own. Some codes are just stupid electrical mistakes, so those you'll be able to clean on your own. This is especially important if you don't have a dealer close by.

 

[Maserati_Kazakhstan]

Hey guys, left the car at my Dad's office, for the mechanic to pick up...turns out the mechanic is on vacation, so I am alone to fixing the issue!

I had a look at the battery compartment in the trunk, and I could find the switch that disconnects power from the battery to the systems? I am not even sure if the battery installed is OEM. Or do all batteries have that disconnection switch? I really don't want to disconnect the battery manually, as the whole thing seems to be screwed to the car with bolts and whatnot...

As usual, any help is appreciated!

 

[onewhippedpuppy]

There should be a black knob mounted just forward of the battery, up on the sidewall when you remove the battery cover panel. If you look in that area you can't miss it. Simply turn it, I think counterclockwise to disconnect the battery. It's a feature of the car so you should have it.

 

[Maserati Blue]

That is correct, the battery disconnect switch is forward of the battery, it is NOT on the battery itself.

 

[Maserati_Kazakhstan]

Guys, glad to report that the CEL light turned out to be nothing serious! Just added some engine oil, level turned out to be a little low and some coolant! Now the light has vanished, and I have been driving all day full power, man how I missed by baby!

 

[Maserati Blue]

I still insist on getting an OBD II reader, it will save you from guessing.

Also, be careful when adding oil, if you overfill then you will cause major problems.

 

[Maserati_Kazakhstan]

I still insist on getting an OBD II reader, it will save you from guessing.

Also, be careful when adding oil, if you overfill then you will cause major problems.

Of course, I added only very little oil, so I think there is nothing to worry about!

I asked the guys at the Bentley dealership Kazakhstan (They service Ferrari, Aston and Lambo's here in Kazakhstan) to get me one, should be a week or so...

 

[Maserati Blue]

It is good news that the Bentley dealer has a Ferrari diagnostic device, because if you ever need to change your Cambiocorsa clutch, you need it to complete the procedure.

In other words, you can't change clutch without a diagnostic device!! If you didn't have Bentley dealer, you would either have to ship the car to another country or fly a mechanic with the diagnostic device to your place.

This is also true for some other features, like resetting an airbag, changing the PIS value of the Cambiocorsa gearbox, etc.

Also, keep in mind that the OBD II reader can give you the codes and some good/expensive OBD models can give you explanation about the code, but some codes are manufacturer specific, thus the OBD II reader will not be able to explain what the code means. You need to either post it in the forum for someone to tell you about it or ask your Bentley dealer (their diagnostic device has all the codes from Ferrari/Maserati).

 

[onewhippedpuppy]

Guys, glad to report that the CEL light turned out to be nothing serious! Just added some engine oil, level turned out to be a little low and some coolant! Now the light has vanished, and I have been driving all day full power, man how I missed by baby!

Keep an eye on those fluids, regularly needing to add oil and coolant are potential signs of trouble. If you don't have an oil leak, consistently needing to add could be a sign of internal engine wear. If your coolant level keeps decreasing, it could be the ever common heater core.

 

[adam01]

It is good news that the Bentley dealer has a Ferrari diagnostic device, because if you ever need to change your Cambiocorsa clutch, you need it to complete the procedure.
In other words, you can't change clutch without a diagnostic device!! If you didn't have Bentley dealer, you would either have to ship the car to another country or fly a mechanic with the diagnostic device to your place.

This is also true for some other features, like resetting an airbag, changing the PIS value of the Cambiocorsa gearbox, etc.

Also, keep in mind that the OBD II reader can give you the codes and some good/expensive OBD models can give you explanation about the code, but some codes are manufacturer specific, thus the OBD II reader will not be able to explain what the code means. You need to either post it in the forum for someone to tell you about it or ask your Bentley dealer (their diagnostic device has all the codes from Ferrari/Maserati).

As I understand it, having the Ferrari diag. equipment in itself does not necessarily mean compatibility with Masearati. Additional modules are required for the unit, atleast with the SD2/3

(might be wrong here)

 

[Maserati Blue]

As I understand it, having the Ferrari diag. equipment in itself does not necessarily mean compatibility with Masearati. Additional modules are required for the unit, atleast with the SD2/3

(might be wrong here)

True for the SD2, but most dealerships who paid for it, opted to add the Maserati options because most of them are Ferrari-Maserati dealers. But yes, the SD2 did need the extra options to work.

The SD3 was common (underneath) to both companies and I think it always worked without any extra requirements.

It is also possible that they don't have an official SD device (or the new Diagnosi) but one of those OEM rip-off's like the ST5, which support multiple brands.

 

[Maserati_Kazakhstan]

Damn, it seems to me that I won't stop having problems with the Masi...today I noticed that the clutch started slipping or something else is wrong. Basically when going off a traffic light, the car is very lazy, until approximately 2000 rpm and then only rockets off like crazy (clutch slipping and then when finally establishes contact it goes?) and also when shifting, it feels like its either thinking too much because shifts are getting slower and slower and rpm jumps up and down...

As always, any help or guidance is highly appreciated...

Edit: Tried the battery reset procedure, didn't help and also noticed smell of something burning. The car has just 17,400 miles but I am not aware of what service has been done. Also, no warning lights just yet...

 

[Maserati Blue]

I can't be sure about the smell but if your clutch is slipping then you need a new clutch (and a few other things along the way, new bearing, clutch position sensor, etc that are always good to change when installing a new clutch).

A temporary solution that will last a few thousand miles, is to lower the PIS value to something ridiculously low, like 4.5 or even 4.0.

 

[Maserati_Kazakhstan]

bad bad problems

So, I guess something is f***ed up with my car! Few hours ago I was at a light, and as the light turned green I wanted to go and the car refused - engine roaring in first gear, but barely any movement, moments later and a strong smell of clutch or something mechanical burning and slight smoke out of the car. Had it pushed to the side of the road and just left it...I guess I will be towing it tomorrow! Any ideas?

Edit - no error lights, or anything that indicates a problem mechanically! So unhappy, angry and frustrated now.....

 

[Maserati Blue]

A you mean THAT smell...

yes, you need a new clutch.

 

[Maserati_Kazakhstan]

Guys, need your input - I will take a guess that the problem with the car is in fact the clutch. Now, I was searching for a replacement part, and found everything I need on eurospares.co.uk

However, the problem is that I don't understand which part exactly I need:

1) Part 196335 (Valid from Ass. Nr. 9254) CC F1 only & Maserati Syper (model year not specified)
2) Part 196335 (Without the "valid from thing"...) CC F1 only & Spyder 2004 model year
3) Part 196021 (Without the "valid from thing"...) CC F1 only & Spyder (model year not specified)
4) Part 196021 (Valid until Ass. Nr. 9253) CC F1 only & Spyder (model year not specified)

I have a 2004 Maserati Spyder CC F1, vin number ZAMBB18A640011012

 

[Maserati Blue]

From Eurospares, page 023 for 4200 Spyder (2004), you need:

(diagram number : part number)
1 : 196335
9 : 234953

You may also want to change the F1 sensor (probably part number 179658, but I could be wrong). Your mechanic should be able to give more details when he opens up the clutch and sees in what condition are the other components, good idea to change any worn items now that you are opening the clutch.

 

[Maserati_Kazakhstan]

From Eurospares, page 023 for 4200 Spyder (2004), you need:

(diagram number : part number)
1 : 196335
9 : 234953

You may also want to change the F1 sensor (probably part number 179658, but I could be wrong). Your mechanic should be able to give more details when he opens up the clutch and sees in what condition are the other components, good idea to change any worn items now that you are opening the clutch.

Thanks a lot Maserati Blue, I really appreciate all your help! Who would have thought that it would be so expensive - the 2 parts you mentioned are $1,500 without taxes and delivery to Kazakhstan from Great Britain...

Also, my mechanic will be following the DIY Clutch replacement guide written up by Victory12. The one question I had - Victory12 mentions that on the 04' CC Spyders, there will be no need to do the whole computer adjustment thing (KIS,PIS or whatever its called) - any input on that? The problem is that no one in the entire country has a SD2, SD3 or any of the devices that are needed and these computers cost more than my car! I am not 100% sure, but I assume that Bentley dealer here has some kind of device, since they said they can perform diagnostics for a Ferrari, hence Maserati too...

 

[Maserati Blue]

Yes they are quite expensive. People forget that 4200 may be cheap to buy second hand, but it is still a Maserati and original spare parts cost a fortune.

About the adjustment. In 2004 production cars and newer, there was an update on the clutch software. You may avoid the adjustment because the new software can auto-adjust the parameters, BUT I would never do that on a new clutch. All dealers adjust the new clutch with the diagnostic device.

If you can't find one of those devices (SD2, SD3, ST5, Diagnosi) then you CAN NOT CHANGE YOUR CLUTCH. At least, I personally don't know of any method to do the software adjustments without those devices and I've never heard of anyone changing a clutch and not doing them.

If the Bentley dealer doesn't know how to change a cambiocorsa clutch and do the proper adjustments, then you may need to ship your car to another country, or pay for a mechanic to fly from another country to yours (with the diagnostic device in hand).

But that would be a worst case scenario, if the Bentley dealer can work on a Ferrari then he can probably work on your car as well.