I don't know if anyone here has checked the market lately but it is evident here in California that the luxury car market has totally collapsed. When I bought my Jaguar in September you could not find any 2017 or later Maseratis, Jags or Cadillacs for less than $30K and now they mostly are less than $30K. I could today buy a 2019 Jaguar XJ for the price I paid for a 2014 in September. Older Maseratis are going for peanuts or people like me are just not even bothering to sell them. It is a very strange world out there. Business Insider has reported the entire car dealership industry is facing a "deflationary spiral" as demand has all but disappeared.
Car values collapsed
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The changing attitude is likely from YouTube and social media. Doug Demuro famously roasted the QP5, then the Ghibli, then the Levante. Hoovie buys the nastiest auction cars and then does a video with the car wizard "HOW much to fix my BROKEN Maserati?!?" Then all the me-too videos come along for Internet likes. There's loads of videos on YouTube about how terrible Maseratis are, how unreliable they are, how ugly the interiors are, how much they depreciate. You can't talk about a Maserati online without people going out of their way to remind you what a mistake you made buying one, how an Alfa is better, how it's just a Dodge Dart / Challenger / Charger / Grand Caravan / Grand Cherokee with a fancy badge. The Internet only likes Porsches, M cars, and Lexus LC.
Maserati should have sued Demuro for that, it was misinformation and even dangerous. At one point he claimed that if you pull on the paddles in 'D' mode it doesn't do anything, as if there was something wrong with such behavior, but it isn't even true! I don't get information about hardly anything from Youtube, I visit specialty forums to get knowledgeable advice. Every Maserati auction on Bring a Trailer is immediately trolled by these idiots, always using a fresh account, and I am usually there to put things right with correct information. As soon as the trolls see I am around, they quit commenting. It is literally just sabotage for their own amusement. It's disgusting that it may have actually affected the market but it's much more general than Maserati. Jaguar and Cadillac values have also plummeted in recent months.
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Yes there are A LOT of videos about old Maseratis being broken and expensive to fix - it must be generating lots of clicks. I'm owner #1 for my Coupe so I don't worry about valuation too much at this point 😎🤯😂.
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I agree car values seem soft right now, in my opinion it is because of the demand for SUVs and inflation / fed raising rates. Right now you can lease an Aviator or GX for $1100 a month, an Armada or Sequoia for $800 a month, or a half ton truck for $500 a month. It wasn't long ago here people were paying $25k markups for half tons. Stuff like Taos, Tiguan, Jetta is around 250 a month. I think demand for cars is still falling.
I'll be listing my 2019 Ghibli SQ4 Grandsport soon, it has 17k miles and is in great shape, looks like I'll be lucky with low 40k range sale price. You drive these cars because they're awesome not because of value.
I'll be listing my 2019 Ghibli SQ4 Grandsport soon, it has 17k miles and is in great shape, looks like I'll be lucky with low 40k range sale price. You drive these cars because they're awesome not because of value.
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Unfortunately I think the Internet is still to blame, almost nothing good is said about the F1 transmission in online reviews or discussion.
I've wanted to try one for a while, I think I'd like it. I've heard the high rpm shifts are really good.
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Car prices collapsed because no one cares about Maserati in real life.
You get more attention in a red honda civic than a red maserati Gran Turismo.
In real life, girls drip wet for Civics, and dry up like the desert for Gran Turismo.
That's how I bought one with 9000 miles for only $11,000
You get more attention in a red honda civic than a red maserati Gran Turismo.
In real life, girls drip wet for Civics, and dry up like the desert for Gran Turismo.
That's how I bought one with 9000 miles for only $11,000
Couldn't afford a Mustang, eh? Sucks to be you.
"Almost nothing good is said" by the owners of the cars? I have said a lot of good things about them and so have all the owners on this forum.
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I didn't say the owners of the cars. Online reviews and the parrots in comment sections is what I meant. I'm not making it up though just go look at reviews on YouTube or car journalist sites. The only ones I can think of offhand that were favorable on F1 was Metcalf and carfection and I think they were MC Stradales. The same is said in 360 reviews and why manuals are worth a bunch more. Same for Aston not much love for sportshift. I haven't driven one yet so I don't know that's just what I've read.
OK but why would buyers listen to people who don't own the cars? Do you rely on movie reviews by people who haven't seen the movie? I bought my car specifically to get an F1 transmission; I test drove it and thought it was incredible. I still can't stop myself from marveling at it how it works after all these years of driving. The Granturismo continued to have the option in ROW markets for years and years, I don't know if it ever stopped.
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I'm not sure you know how the Internet works. Just look at the sunshine longhorn stuff today. I'm starting to think it's someone using an AI chatbot, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. He's gonna go nuts on TikTok and FB and people just eat that stuff up, repeating and reposting what someone said. No one will fact check it or attempt objective thought. I don't get on the net much anymore outside of work because it isn't fun like it used to be.
Like I said I've wanted to try one and think I'd like it because mechanically I know what it's doing and high RPM shifts are supposed to be awesome. But it's largely misunderstood because many people are not technical. And they aren't common so it's not like I can go test drive one nearby. Hence I read about them first. I'm still planning on buying a Vantage in the not too distant future.
I don't really understand how the internet works, you are correct. This is because although I spend a lot of time online, I am not swayed by the opinions of random people, at least not about anything important. Figuring out whether a car is good is not the same thing as some kind of fashion trend or funny clip, there are objective facts to be considered.
Our new friend got banned already, by the way. That stuff doesn't fly here.
Dude, take it down a notch with the visuals.
At first I was hesitant, now I just enjoy the car and the shifts, I'm more worried about why the front end comes up so much on acceleration now than I am about the F1. and of course I revel in the sound, the sweet sweet sound !
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I've done lots of autocross in my Coupe and the stock suspension allows a fair amount of travel (even new). I fitted the formula dynamics springs and they made a huuuuge difference.
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I have a hard time believing qp could handle better at autocross being 700lbs heavier.
Believe it, the official numbers were 0.83 g for the Coupe and 0.9 g for the QP. Not sure about GranSport.
G-force measurement on a constant radius skid pad is merely one measurement of a car's handling, and can vary drastically by tire choice, surface temperature and surface condition. The physics involved in rapid dynamic weight transfer into and out of a corner (front to back and left to right, etc.) in autocross taxes a suspension system in a way that makes a G-force measurement alone incapable of fully predicting times. Acceleration and braking are obviously also factors.
Taking this all in consideration, 700 lbs difference in car weight could be a far greater handicap in autocross than one may realize. In my years of autocross, slower weight transfer was a big time killer. Nimbleness and rapid transitions are king
Taking this all in consideration, 700 lbs difference in car weight could be a far greater handicap in autocross than one may realize. In my years of autocross, slower weight transfer was a big time killer. Nimbleness and rapid transitions are king
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