Anybody have pics of the novitec supercharger on or off the car? I don't seem to able to find any pics of the thing? Thanks
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I've actually not tried it for much else other than straight OBDC code reading. I bought it explicitly for the service light reset and that it does just fine
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Anybody with plans to attempt this on their 4.7?
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Nothing formal. Just the mental masterbation component at at the moment. Trying to make contact with a proficient tuner not turned off at the prospect. If that lines up, then plans may become within reach.
I'm finding it hard to source basic knowledge, and rather surprised as I assumed this group would be heavy gear heads with such. Basic cam specs will be needed before I move forward, but I suppose Maserati may not be the most transparent for such information.
The problem is that Maserati provides zero information, even less than Ferrari or related cars. I've been hunting around for someplace to get the ECU or TCU repaired with no luck at all; I called one shop that does Ferrari and Alfa ECU repair and they said "no Maserati, they don't provide any information on their programming so we can't fix those even though they are the same hardware units as the ones we do fix."
Tuning may not be needed in the way you normally think. 16-18 years ago, way back, I had a 2000 Grand Prix GT with a NA 3.8 v6 which I installed an aftermarket supercharger kit (shaved 2 seconds off the 1/4mile, no bs). Tuning it wasnt an option just yet but a shop in Michigan made a supercharger kit utilizing a Paxton novi centrifugal supercharger. Hear me out here...
The kit obviously needed more fuel and being the NA engine it ran lower boost, much like we need, to run safely but yet get good power results. Matt was his name, and he was partnered with ZZP performance but was his own shop which I'm struggling to come up with the name. Without a a tune available they came up with a way to trick the mass air flow sensor into running larger injectors and correcting the timing, and in turn you could easily adjust the air fuel ratios to lean or rich the "tune".
I actually just dug and found they still sell the maf controller and their explanation is much better than mine.
https://zzperformance.com/products/mini-afc-air-fuel-controller
In theory, at least mine, this could be a solution for a low boost scenario, 4-6lbs or so should be a significant gain, no? Being that tunes are readily or cheaply available for such task.
Of course this is all speculation combined with what I ran on a much cheaper car back in the day.
The kit obviously needed more fuel and being the NA engine it ran lower boost, much like we need, to run safely but yet get good power results. Matt was his name, and he was partnered with ZZP performance but was his own shop which I'm struggling to come up with the name. Without a a tune available they came up with a way to trick the mass air flow sensor into running larger injectors and correcting the timing, and in turn you could easily adjust the air fuel ratios to lean or rich the "tune".
I actually just dug and found they still sell the maf controller and their explanation is much better than mine.
https://zzperformance.com/products/mini-afc-air-fuel-controller
In theory, at least mine, this could be a solution for a low boost scenario, 4-6lbs or so should be a significant gain, no? Being that tunes are readily or cheaply available for such task.
Of course this is all speculation combined with what I ran on a much cheaper car back in the day.
I'm sure there's USA based outfits, and Formula Dynamics comes to mind, but these guys are well rated for ECU tuning in the UK:
MASERATI Quattroporte 4.7 - DMS Automotive
sure, change the crank from cross plane to flat plane (increasing the rev ceiling), and add an extra throttle body, and change the inlet manifold and you're probably 90% there... exhaust is decent on the Maserati, but perhaps headers or sports cats may top it off. (don't forget to flash the computer to 458 tune as well)
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You have a problem with your ECU Sean? Let me know. I could probably help.
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A 458 engine will not work.. I won't bore you about all the little things, but I`ll start with one one huge glaring one...An engine with a flat plane crank is basically two four cylinders hooked together and has a unique exhaust system specific to that firing order...The exhaust system would be totally out of tune in a Maserati and greatly reduce power...I can keep going with more details if needed....I work on both brands of these cars...Jason
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Thanks Jason, I did a little investigating on the end-cost of a swap and it would be in the $35,000 range
Used 458 engines seem to be going for $40,000 + on eBay and you'd probably get around $15k for the Maserati 4.7 when sold.
Factor in the labor and additional parts needed and it would total $35,000 easily, perhaps more.
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It is a pipe dream and will not realistically work for a variety of reasons...I was just getting started with the exhaust, but I`ll add another...458 has dual VVT and M145 does not...so now you don't even have the wiring to run the second VVT solenoid let alone the software and a totally incorrect exhaust...Best advice...These are not 600-700HP cars...If you want that then you need a Corvette, AMG,Porsche or BMW.. These are nice cars, but expensive to modify...Best gains are from software, sports cats, and exhaust combined.. Even then you'll not see 600 hp....I honestly think some of these TV shows make the general public think you can just swap this and that and it will just fire right up..Here is the reality...It won't and there are a 100 problems that most people have not even thought of until they occur...You could swap engines like that in 1985....Jason
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Why go so old school? I think it would be best to stick with Ferrari drive, but if you're going to go, go big! Just slap in the power train from the Ferrari The Ferrari. It's all Italian, so it should just bolt in and go :wink2:
I think we are getting off track here. Engine swaps are possible but expensive. As for supercharging, I am confident that I can get the hardware done. Its the tuning that would be an issue. Again if anyone knows a good custom tuner let me know.
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I'd be content with a 4.7 gts motor paired with my 05 F1 duo select transmission. Is this more possible than the supercharger?
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I have been on this forum daily for 6 years..So I have seen the topic of swaps, turbos, superchargers etc. come up previously.. Do you know how many I have seen completed?....ZERO....Do you know how many I have seen attempted?....ZERO..........Jason
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I've had this fantasy of swapping out the V12 out of my 599 GTB Fiorano and into my GT, but my Ferrari mechanic squashed that idea pretty quickly. Even though the engine bay on the GT seems to have enough room and the chassis theoretically seems strong enough to handle the 600+ hp beast, the problem is the transmission. The ZF 6-sp auto is just too weak to handle the power and torque of the V12.
But it sure is fun to think about it.....imagine the sound of such a combo!:smile2:
But it sure is fun to think about it.....imagine the sound of such a combo!:smile2:
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Do you see a trend here? People that work cars know that these swaps are not very feasible...As far as a tuner, I don't know anyone in particular for forced induction but it is a Bosch system so it shouldn't be a problem..I would love to hear your plan...What supercharger? How many lbs. of boost? Intercooler or charge cooler? What are you doing for the crank pulley? Bigger injectors? Jason
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