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Jason@ Enzo`s Atlanta said:
It is not the same software in the least....Software updates are pretty common these days....Jason
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Right, but this was a recall for the exact same glitch the Maserati was recalled for ; the ECU diagnostics module for the secondary air system cycle time, that's why I thought it's too much of a coincidence.
 
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Mikelee said:
DSGT- You've written about the visit to a dealership and an independent; what dealer and independent? I've used Roselli's. I live near Santa Cruz.
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Dealer : Maserati of Burlingame . ( it's combined with a Fiat - Chrysler dealership ). The Redwood City Ferrari Maserati dealer sold the Maserarti part of the business to the Burlingame dealer recently..two of the mechanics transferred also as part of that deal .
Independent : Taormina Morors in Belmont, it's barley ten minutes away from my house .

I hear good things about Roselli , and it's a lot closer to you anyway , so I think a good choice in that sense ..
 
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I also had a "little" power steering leak on my previous GT; Maserati warranty didn't cover; needs to be a larger leak?
... Not going back to the closet dealer, Maserati of monterey; same as Burlingame, a Chrysler dealership trying to service and sell Maserati. Over a year ago, I traded my first GT and bought a new GT from them; still building a showroom and service dept. for Maserati. Too many problems; three construction contractors, two service managers and one service advisor later, a year of the run-a-round on seat stitching color fade. I'm now going to Maserati of Walnut Creek. They sell and service only Maserati, Alfa Romeo and Bentley. An hour a half drive each way, but they've made more progress in a week, then the year with Maserati of monterey.
 
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Juris said:
Italian - Last I checked was a year ago but Goodrich told me they stopped making the Comp 2/A...much to my disappointment. I'd still get a set if I could find them. Can you give a source for me to follow up on? Thanks.
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I suspected that as well but it seems they were just out of stock (everywhere). I was in the process of checking out of Tire Rack's website for a set of more expensive tires when I thought maaaaybe I should just check. Sure enough, there they were!! Now I use the All Season (Comp 2 A/S), the regular summer Comp 2s may be gone for good.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tire...S&autoMake=Maserati&autoYear=2013&autoModel=GranTurismo+Coupe&autoModClar=Sport
 
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To continue on the “ take your car to the dealer for anything and be told how many other things are supposedly wrong with it and need fixing “ topic : I’ll leave the brake pads, the tires and the power steering pump leak alone for now, until my independent shop can inspect and validate the observations and the need to do anything with those, but I will address the dealer’s valve cover gaskets “ LEAK on both sides “ claim post a conversation with my independent mechanic . So upon visual inspection of the valve cover top side , there is not the slightest sign of any current or past leak traces anywhere, on elther side. Bone dry ! Running my hand underneath along the bottom of the cover on and below the gasket also not a trace of anything, my hands came out perfectly clean with just a bit of dust on the fingers . Since I had to make an appointment for an oil change anyway I asked my shop’ s owner to check those few other things while he has the car there and also conveyed my own findings vs. what the dealer indicated.
He said this : when you run the car really hard, gaskets may “sweat“ a little , but dealers refer to that as a “leak “ and will tell you the gaskets need replacement. He went on to say that in most cases and unless the gaskets are really old, a simple 15 minute job loosening the bolts a little and then re-tightening them will usually work just fine and then maybe keep an eye on them. In his experience he said the GT’s valve cover gaskets should last about 75 K miles if the car is driven in a mild manner, about 50 K miles if driven in a spirited manner , and maybe 30 K miles if you constantly push the car to its limits and often find yourself above 6 k RPM.
 
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I honestly have no idea how anyone could come to that conclusion..The cam cover gaskets only last so long and that is just the way it is...They simply keep splashed oil in the engine...How you drive the car is just one of the many things along with a lot of other variables..I guess because this is the internet, if everyone keeps the revs below 3k they will get 75K out of cam cover gaskets? It has been my experience it really doesn't work that way...They leak when they want to leak...I think if you have one of these cars it will need cam cover gaskets before 100K..When that it is I have no idea..It maybe 20K or it maybe 65K..Lots of variables...Letting a car sit actually makes car leak more than driving it if you ask me...Jason
 
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Yes I can confirm the cam cover gaskets only last 40K miles quite often... but when they need replacing it is pretty obvious, usually they "sweat" a lot of oil down the engine so it finally drips onto the cats and makes a nice little smell every so often. Until they get to this point I wouldn't waste money replacing them.
 
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The “ your mileage may vary “ adage applies to this just as it does to almost everything else car related .. he was simply using educated guesses based on his experience working on countless numbers of Ferraris ( primarily ), old and new, Lamborghinis , Maseratis, among numerous other high end sport cars including rare Porsches, McLarens , etc . over the years , so this is not just internet hearsay, I think this guy is about as credible as it gets , but again, I am very cognizant of the YMMV syndrome . Some parts fail prematurely , others last inexplicably long. Everyone here stated with great conviction that our cars eat batteries in a couple of years , and you’re very lucky to get four years out of one . Mine lasted six years ( was never on a trickle charger ) and it was still perfectly fine, I only replaced it because it was a convenient thing to do and I relied on the collective wisdom here which suggested that’s probably waiting to die any day .. So far everything I’ve read from Jason has been spot on, so not trying to argue with that, but I think there is some room for opinions from other expert mechanics, as well as the experiences of our members have with their own cars . Just conveying what I was told about these gaskets .. and yes, any component will give up when it wants to give up, but the way the car is driven most certainly affects the wear and tear life on everything ! I’ve driven and raced Porsches for almost 40 years , and I can tell you that practically every part of the same model one which is driven normally and one which is tracked, will wear out at vastly different rates. Speaking of gaskets ( but the head gasket in this case ) I got 90 K miles out of my street car, and about 30 k miles out of my track car. Same model , same year . Not a component one would think is much affected by heavy track use like transmission, rods, cams, suspension, brakes, tires and so on. Just a real life expample, so I don’t think a statement as to how long the valve cover gaskets would PROBABLY last in our cars based on various driving conditions is that unreasonable .. IMHO
 
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Well, my car has been owned by a series of old guys driving gently, including myself, and my 4.2 L has had the passenger cam gasket replaced at 30K miles, and then both replaced at 52K miles, because both were seeping pretty good. Sometimes these kind of parts just don't hold up, it's a known weak spot on the F136 engines. If an engine has to have a weak spot this is a pretty good one to have, it's not an expensive part or a terrible job to fix.
 
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SeanFulop said:
Well, my car has been owned by a series of old guys driving gently, including myself, and my 4.2 L has had the passenger cam gasket replaced at 30K miles, and then both replaced at 52K miles, because both were seeping pretty good. Sometimes these kind of parts just don't hold up, it's a known weak spot on the F136 engines. If an engine has to have a weak spot this is a pretty good one to have, it's not an expensive part or a terrible job to fix.
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Mine is just starting to leak (very little per mechanic), quote to replace both is $2500
 
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Jason@ Enzo`s Atlanta said:
I honestly have no idea how anyone could come to that conclusion..The cam cover gaskets only last so long and that is just the way it is...They simply keep splashed oil in the engine...How you drive the car is just one of the many things along with a lot of other variables..I guess because this is the internet, if everyone keeps the revs below 3k they will get 75K out of cam cover gaskets? It has been my experience it really doesn't work that way...They leak when they want to leak...I think if you have one of these cars it will need cam cover gaskets before 100K..When that it is I have no idea..It maybe 20K or it maybe 65K..Lots of variables...Letting a car sit actually makes car leak more than driving it if you ask me...Jason
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I agree. I just got my car back from the dealership after it went in for the emissions recall. The day after I dropped it off, I received a call from the service manager who told me the technician had found the dreaded leaking valve cover seal problem on both sides. I told the service manager not to do anything and that I would stop by the dealer to look at the gaskets myself. Sure enough, they were both leaking...not a lot, but there was oil seeping from the rear side of both gaskets. $2100 later and they were both replaced. I could have taken the car to an independent shop that I've used before, but I decided to just bite the bullet and have the work done at the dealership.

What REALLY galls me is that Maserati doesn't cover this under their initial or CPO warranties. Leaking gaskets are specifically noted as not being covered under the CPO warranty. Maserati should be ashamed of themselves for not covering this obvious known DEFECT. Heck, Hyundai covers leaking gaskets for 100k miles on a $15k car! I truly love our GT, but it will absolutely be the last Maserati we own. Not because of the car, but because of Maserati and their "couldn't care less" attitude regarding their customers.
 
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jw38 said:
I agree. I just got my car back from the dealership after it went in for the emissions recall. The day after I dropped it off, I received a call from the service manager who told me the technician had found the dreaded leaking valve cover seal problem on both sides. I told the service manager not to do anything and that I would stop by the dealer to look at the gaskets myself. Sure enough, they were both leaking...not a lot, but there was oil seeping from the rear side of both gaskets. $2100 later and they were both replaced. I could have taken the car to an independent shop that I've used before, but I decided to just bite the bullet and have the work done at the dealership.

What REALLY galls me is that Maserati doesn't cover this under their initial or CPO warranties. Leaking gaskets are specifically noted as not being covered under the CPO warranty. Maserati should be ashamed of themselves for not covering this obvious known DEFECT. Heck, Hyundai covers leaking gaskets for 100k miles on a $15k car! I truly love our GT, but it will absolutely be the last Maserati we own. Not because of the car, but because of Maserati and their "couldn't care less" attitude regarding their customers.
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same here, love my car, hate the company!
 
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Well, once my mechanic inspects the car in person he could very well tell me the gaskets may need to be replaced an better sooner than later , so we’ll see. It’s possible there could be a small leak all the way at the rear end of the engine where I could not see or touch, but unless it’s material enough or indicative it’ll get worse quickly, I’ll leave it alone until it gets to that point .
38 K miles on my car now . Almost 39 K actually . My friend who has a 2012 MC is due for his service in a couple of months , he told me he has just over 50 K miles on his car, so we’ll see how his gaskets are holding up. I’ll post a separate thread asking for some info on good independent shops in the L.A. / Pasadena area , he’s still taking his car to the dealer and I am shocked at the prices he is being charged for various services .
 
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DSGT said:
Well, once my mechanic inspects the car in person he could very well tell me the gaskets may need to be replaced an better sooner than later , so we’ll see. It’s possible there could be a small leak all the way at the rear end of the engine where I could not see or touch, but unless it’s material enough or indicative it’ll get worse quickly, I’ll leave it alone until it gets to that point .
38 K miles on my car now . Almost 39 K actually . My friend who has a 2012 MC is due for his service in a couple of months , he told me he has just over 50 K miles on his car, so we’ll see how his gaskets are holding up. I’ll post a separate thread asking for some info on good independent shops in the L.A. / Pasadena area , he’s still taking his car to the dealer and I am shocked at the prices he is being charged for various services .
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If it's okay to ask, what independent mechanic do you go to. I did a search of the forums and some of the information regarding recommendations are from 2014. I dropped by the new Maserati/Alfa dealer in Livermore last weekend and they said they are ready for business. My other alternatives are Walnut Creek or driving up to Sacramento.
 
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444bullett said:
If it's okay to ask, what independent mechanic do you go to. I did a search of the forums and some of the information regarding recommendations are from 2014. I dropped by the new Maserati/Alfa dealer in Livermore last weekend and they said they are ready for business. My other alternatives are Walnut Creek or driving up to Sacramento.
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Taormina Motors in Belmont , but there is one caveat ; Maserati is probably the lowest end car they'll work on, and I suspect they took me in mostly as a courtesy to a very good friend of mine ( from whom I bought the GTS ) and who has a collection of Ferraris and Astons being serviced there. Every time I stop by the shop to chat with the owner, who is among the nicest guys you'll ever meet, I'm stunned at the inventory in that place. Among a dozen other high end cars that are in there every day I've seen a La Ferrari there more than once , an Enzo, an F 40 and an F 50, a couple of Porsche GT and a 918 Spyder , an ( illegal in the U.S. ) McLaren F1, Larry Ellison's Bugatti Veyron , and today he had a Ferrari GTO in the shop !!! He wasn't there yet so I could not ask him what's the story on that car, but as I recall the last auction sale for one of those brought in $ 48 million . I'd be really nervous having that left in my custody even for a day, lol. I left drool marks all over the shop floor on my way out. So I always feel like I'm a pity charity case with my lowly GTs, but like I said, Ted is one of the most humble, gracious and honest guys around and the advantage is that he doesn't need the $$, so he'll never try to " sell you " any service you don't absolutely need.

Anecdotal info, but he admits that as accomplished as he may be with these cars, he still can't come to terms with one project : one of his own cars is a 599 Fiorano and he is contemplating converting it to a full manual transmission ( since finding a 599 with a manual is nearly impossible and even if you do, the price is triple vs. the F1 ones. ) He said he can do that mechanically, but there is no way to program the car's computer to accept that change, so it either won't run at all, or it'll run like crap. And buying a 599 manual computer from Ferrari is prohibitively expensive . Ah, all these first world problems.. :wink2::grin2:
 
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DSGT said:
Well, once my mechanic inspects the car in person he could very well tell me the gaskets may need to be replaced an better sooner than later , so we’ll see. It’s possible there could be a small leak all the way at the rear end of the engine where I could not see or touch, but unless it’s material enough or indicative it’ll get worse quickly, I’ll leave it alone until it gets to that point .
38 K miles on my car now . Almost 39 K actually . My friend who has a 2012 MC is due for his service in a couple of months , he told me he has just over 50 K miles on his car, so we’ll see how his gaskets are holding up. I’ll post a separate thread asking for some info on good independent shops in the L.A. / Pasadena area , he’s still taking his car to the dealer and I am shocked at the prices he is being charged for various services .
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A good rule of thumb for the QP and 4200 cars at least is that if you can never smell burnt oil from the driver's seat while the engine is running, don't worry about it. Don't even spend time checking it. Wait for the smell test.
 
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Thanks for the info. I am trying to do some of the basic maintenance myself, but one can always use a qualified mechanic. The GT lends itself very well to the DIY due the simplistic nature of the engine and transmission in general. One of many things I really like about the car.
 
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