2012 Granturismo S double clutch or torque converter transmission?

DIYDanCars · Dec 11, 2018

Does a 2012 Granturismo S have a double clutch or torque converter transmission? We found a 2012 GT that we really like but want to avoid the double clutch transmissions. The reason I ask is i'm finding conflicting information on this.

Thanks!

Makavelifaison · Dec 11, 2018

Only year in the US that has a clutch is 2009. The rest are automatic.

AaronE · Dec 11, 2018

and even then, it was a rare option. also, the F1 transmission (as it's called) was never a double clutch, it's a single robotized clutch.

Catmanv2 · Dec 11, 2018

AaronE said:
and even then, it was a rare option. also, the F1 transmission (as it's called) was never a double clutch, it's a single robotized clutch.

Exactly so.

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SeanFulop · Dec 11, 2018

Yeah Maserati has not implemented any DCT as yet, do they have any plans for one? I've heard good things about Porsche's PDK transmission, I'd like to try one.

DIYDanCars · Dec 11, 2018

Thanks for the quick responses everyone. All that's left to do is it give it a PPI and agree on price.

arizonaitalian · Dec 11, 2018

I wish the GT came with a DCT!

I suspect you meant single clutch robotized manuals (aka “F1” style transmissions). In the USA, maser only offered that on the GT in 2009.

Fwiw, I find the torque converter transmission to be the biggest disappointment in my 2014 GTS. I’ve had sporty cars with manuals and with F1 and driven DCT ones, but the TC really kinda ruins the experience for me. Yeah, on the rare occasions I want to just cruise in my “sporty” car, it’s good, but the same can be said for any transmission for long cruises. I have other cars for daily driving (and never go anywhere with stop and go traffic) and thus my sporty car should be fun, engaging and high performance. For me (and imho only) the TC inhibits that. Ymmv.

DIYDanCars · Dec 11, 2018

arizonaitalian said:
I wish the GT came with a DCT!

I suspect you meant single clutch robotized manuals (aka “F1” style transmissions). In the USA, maser only offered that on the GT in 2009.

Fwiw, I find the torque converter transmission to be the biggest disappointment in my 2014 GTS. I’ve had sporty cars with manuals and with F1 and driven DCT ones, but the TC really kinda ruins the experience for me. Yeah, on the rare occasions I want to just cruise in my “sporty” car, it’s good, but the same can be said for any transmission for long cruises. I have other cars for daily driving (and never go anywhere with stop and go traffic) and thus my sporty car should be fun, engaging and high performance. For me (and imho only) the TC inhibits that. Ymmv.

There was a review article I was reading that referred to the Granturismo as having a "dual-clutch" transmission and another referring to it as being a standard torque converter, hence my confusion. :smile2: This is my wife's dream car, so i'm a bit of a noob when it comes to Maseratis. I have always owned Porsches in the past, except for a brief relationship with an Aston Martin DB9.

Since I will be the one repairing this car when it breaks, I prefer the torque converter as they hold up better over the long run than the robo manuals. :smile2:

jacek · Dec 11, 2018

DIYDanCars said:
There was a review article I was reading that referred to the Granturismo as having a "dual-clutch" transmission and another referring to it as being a standard torque converter, hence my confusion. :smile2: This is my wife's dream car, so i'm a bit of a noob when it comes to Maseratis. I have always owned Porsches in the past, except for a brief relationship with an Aston Martin DB9.

Since I will be the one repairing this car when it breaks, I prefer the torque converter as they hold up better over the long run than the robo manuals. :smile2:

FWIW the (F!, CC) clutch assembly contains two friction plates, hence the name confusion. They are however the same size not two different concentric subassemblies like in the DCT tech design...

FormulaDynamics · Dec 11, 2018

Definitely an Automatica, good luck with the hunt!

Best Regards,

SeanFulop · Dec 11, 2018

jacek said:
FWIW the (F!, CC) clutch assembly contains two friction plates, hence the name confusion. They are however the same size not two different concentric subassemblies like in the DCT tech design...

Yes it wasn't until I bought my QP Duoselect and a Hyundai Veloster at almost the same time that I learned about this confusion. The Veloster is a real dual-clutch automatic. It has two different clutches--one for odd gears and another for even gears. I mistakenly thought my QP was the same, until I quickly learned it has a *twin-plate* single clutch, not a dual-clutch design. Huge difference, in that the Duoselect system is mechanically rather old-fashioned, aside from the robotic power unit and fancy sensors and a computer. The DCT system is very new-fangled and fresh, and in fact they are "black box" designs that cannot be serviced in the field. If anything goes wrong with your dual-clutch transmission, you need a new transmission, period. Puts a new perspective on the "huge expenses" of fixing a Duoselect.

09GTdriver · Dec 14, 2018

Just to add to the posts regarding the 2009 having the F1 gearbox; it was only 2009 "S" models with the 4.7 liter. The 2009 base 4.2 cars like mine all have the true automatic.

SeanFulop · Dec 14, 2018

09GTdriver said:
Just to add to the posts regarding the 2009 having the F1 gearbox; it was only 2009 "S" models with the 4.7 liter. The 2009 base 4.2 cars like mine all have the true automatic.

And a shame it was, the USA market didn't get the GT Sport option for the F-1 transmission after 2009. In Europe this option was available for year after year, and possibly still is, from what I read.

Catmanv2 · Dec 14, 2018

Don't think it's available any more but I could well be wrong

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Jason@ Enzo`s Atlanta · Dec 14, 2018

We just had a M145 car with the F1 option in the shop...First one because they are kinda rare..I didn't like the way the car drove at all..Way too jerky...I like the automatic cars much better...As far as a DCT transmission...They are the jam..A 458 Italia shifts faster than you can blink...Jason

jacek · Dec 14, 2018

I don't know... I got to like the "analog" programming on the CC. It responds in a natural, very "machinery like" manner. The higher I rev the faster, more abruptly it shifts. I like the "classic" hiss and thump of the shifting mechanism. There is no doubt that DCT is more advanced and so is the automatic. More smooth- fine but I don't want a taxi. If I want a taxi I hail uber. When I want to drive I want the experience more than anything else. Call me purist haha ;-)

SeanFulop · Dec 14, 2018

Jason@ Enzo`s Atlanta said:
We just had a M145 car with the F1 option in the shop...First one because they are kinda rare..I didn't like the way the car drove at all..Way too jerky...I like the automatic cars much better...As far as a DCT transmission...They are the jam..A 458 Italia shifts faster than you can blink...Jason

Interesting... seems likely but I hope Ferrari's version of the DCT works better than my Hyundai. It shifts fine but the uptake is jerky and forget low-speed maneuvering. Parking lots are a nightmare in that car because the clutch won't slip so it always wants to go 10 mph immediately. In reverse.

DIYDanCars · Dec 15, 2018

The dealer has officially accepted our offer on the red 2012 Granturismo S that we want. All that's left to do is to make sure it passes a PPI.

Is there anyway to see what options are installed on this car?

arizonaitalian · Dec 16, 2018

DIYDanCars said:
The dealer has officially accepted our offer on the red 2012 Granturismo S that we want. All that's left to do is to make sure it passes a PPI.

Is there anyway to see what options are installed on this car?

That's great. Let us know when she is yours!

Re "options", ask a service advisor at an authorized Maserati dealer to print out the "build sheet" for your car. Ask politely and don't take "no" for an answer, it certainly is possible and easy for them to do, but some don't like to for whatever reason.

Also, you can get the original selling dealership to print out the window sticker. That might be harder to accomplish unless that is where you are buying the car. I'm not sure which of the sales or service dept does this, but again on this one I am 100% certain it can be done. Its a matter of them caring enough to do it.

Finally, Maser North America no longer provides window stickers to current owners. (they did until earlier in 2018, but have discontinued the practice because it was too customer oriented for their likes)

DIYDanCars · Dec 16, 2018

arizonaitalian said:
That's great. Let us know when she is yours!

Re "options", ask a service advisor at an authorized Maserati dealer to print out the "build sheet" for your car. Ask politely and don't take "no" for an answer, it certainly is possible and easy for them to do, but some don't like to for whatever reason.

Also, you can get the original selling dealership to print out the window sticker. That might be harder to accomplish unless that is where you are buying the car. I'm not sure which of the sales or service dept does this, but again on this one I am 100% certain it can be done. Its a matter of them caring enough to do it.

Finally, Maser North America no longer provides window stickers to current owners. (they did until earlier in 2018, but have discontinued the practice because it was too customer oriented for their likes)

Thanks for the info I will try. We're buying the car from a Porsche dealer. It was a one owner new car trade in on a Porsche Panamera 4S.

To bad Maserati doesn't offer the window sticker as a paid service like Corvette. I would of been willing to pay for a copy of it.

Here are a few pictures of the car we put a deposit on. It's a 2012 S with 25k miles and dealer service it's whole life.

2012 Granturismo S double clutch or torque converter transmission?

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