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Like any car that's 13 years old you will run into some issues but these are great cars overall. I bought mine with 70k miles on it after a solid test drive and never bothered with a PPI. The previous owner showed me service records including the clutch replacement done at 62k (was original) and I've not had any unexpected problems pop up.
 
Is that a 6MT clutch replacement at 62K? The cambiocorsa F1 system can have a great many problems that will not be obvious in a road test but will show up in a leak down and other tests that are run using the proper software. It's essential to have a PPI. Even a leaking heater core may not be obvious to a prospective buyer, but would be a very expensive problem to discover after buying the car.
 
Is that a 6MT clutch replacement at 62K? The cambiocorsa F1 system can have a great many problems that will not be obvious in a road test but will show up in a leak down and other tests that are run using the proper software. It's essential to have a PPI. Even a leaking heater core may not be obvious to a prospective buyer, but would be a very expensive problem to discover after buying the car.
No that was a CambioCorsa clutch at 62k and while a leakdown test is precise, simply timing the pump cycle gives you a general idea of wear (that's what I did). Also the seller had documentation on the heater core replacement.

Regardless, I would hope anyone looking at buying these cars isn't expecting to buy it and have no problems regardless of the result of a PPI which only shows so much. I know I didn't. These are generally not one's primary mode of transportation so reliability isn't quite as critical. If it was, there are many better choices for the same money (think Toyota Camry :wink2: ) for example. I bought mine well below book value in part because I was paying cash and made it a very easy and quick sale for the previous owner. That means I assume the risk if I missed anything major but that risk was budgeted into my offer price and in my case it's worked out. I got a great car and didn't have to touch the additional cash I had planned on spending on potential issues.

I guess my point is, you can pay top dollar for a PPI inspected and well documented car and still have a major failure occur. The other option is if you know what to look for you can get in at a much lower price with only a minor risk.
 
With these cars, you can't expect to buy one and have it be completely trouble free, regardless of how the ppi turns out. They are somewhat temperamental. They can be really great cars, though, and they're definitely the best value in the exotic car market. I have two spyders for sale. A yellow/black 02 and a green/ivory 03. Both in the price range you speak of. Both are fully serviced with newer clutches and anything they have needed. I'll reduce the price even more for forum members.


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Yeah they are great cars for the price, but you must have extra money available for potentially expensive repairs.

A PPI is a good idea but can be impractical, I agree.
 
Yeah they are great cars for the price, but you must have extra money available for potentially expensive repairs.

A PPI is a good idea but can be impractical, I agree.


I completely agree. These cars are cheap to acquire and are an awesome value, but they can't be expected to be maintenance or repair free. Keep in mind that even though they only cost $20k, they still have the repair and maintenance costs of a $100k+ exotic.

If you keep those things in mind, you'll have a great ownership experience!


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When I bought my QP I looked at it this way:
I could get a nice 2005 QP with less than 50K miles for less than 25K. I took my chances and wound up with a big repair bill, because the clutch etc. needed to be fixed. So my total costs for the car plus fix-up was about $30K.

Meanwhile, I could have bought a 911 base model 2007 with 60K miles on her, for $38,000.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
I have now owned my 2004 Spyder for just under 3 years. Just about to book it in at Daytona for its annual service. Completely reliable. Two minor services (oil change twice, brake fluid once) and a new battery. Total maintenance about $1300 CDN over the 3 years. I know YMMV and I don't drive the car that much (a couple of thousand kms each year) but I have been genuinely impressed by the reliability. Just over 60K kms on it now. As a prior Jag owner (and many other cars over the years) it is way up there. It came with a FSH, prior forum owner, sold by main dealer. While aware there will be expenses in the future, it owes me nothing.
 
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