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So obviously the 05-07(07-Z1) QP's would be cheaper than a newer model but once you factor in the costs of replacing the clutch everyone 20,000-40,000 miles doesn't it end up being cheaper to own a 07(F1) or 08 even if the car is $5,000-$8,000 more up front? This is my logic as I look to purchase a QP but am I missing something?
 
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This is a popular question! Clutch replacement with the Formula Dynamics Drive By Wire is more in the 40 to 60K range and we've heard higher. So, how many miles would you own the car for is the first question? I replaced my clutch and pilot bearing for 4K with DBW included at 40K miles. I will not own the car for another 50K miles, which means I will not purchase another clutch for this car. So, not a big investment and about average clutch life compared to the several Porsches I've owned.

Now, why would someone want a Ferrari F1 transmission on a Maserati sedan? So you can hear the engine, feel the shifts and become one with the car in the corners. The downshifts sound amazing, people turn their heads, the engine crackles between gears and it sounds like a Ferrari F430. If thats not what you want out of a sedan its understandable, if it is, then get a car with a newer clutch, get the DBW, and have a blast.
 
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Some owners will argue for the Auto and some for the DuoSelect F-1. Honestly, I think you're best to drive them and see the difference. If you have a good independant near you that can install a new clutch (cost effectively) that may also play into your decision to choose one over the other. They both have their strong points. The F-1 is obviously the sportier of the 2 but does have a wearable clutch.

Owners have seen an improvement in clutch life with our DBW Enhancement Module installed. We don't have any official posted numbers since this will vary based on your driving style, maintenance and the fact that clutch wear is based on starts, stops, shifts, etc i.e. It's not directly tied to miles.

Either way, it certainly makes the car more fun to drive and we've heard great feedback from owners on the forum and in emails that have reported a nice improvement from the module since installing.

All in all, they really are both good transmission options, wish they still offered both!

Best Regards,
 
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sonyab523 said:
(newbie question)

So obviously the 05-07(07-Z1) QP's would be cheaper than a newer model but once you factor in the costs of replacing the clutch everyone 20,000-40,000 miles ....
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To my knowledge, the cost of clutch replacing is NOT the only factor.

The major factor for me is "peace of mind" . And there is no "peace of mind" with duoselect.
 
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Then why a Maserati at all?

friendgr said:
To my knowledge, the cost of clutch replacing is NOT the only factor.

The major factor for me is "peace of mind" . And there is no "peace of mind" with duoselect.
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Peace of mind and Maserati? Department of military intelligence? Oxymoron think I!

I jest; I sort of get the peace of mind thing but I am not sure it applies here. In my experience the DuoSelect is reliable, it is just that you have to accept that as a wear and tear item, the clutch like on any other car, will eventually need replacing. If you want to drive a "manual" albeit robotosized, and if you mean peace of mind re expense, just put aside a little money each month for when the clutch needs replacing.

For me the issue isn't so much peace of mind, but driving experience. The two cars are different, neither is better per se. Just my two cents worth. Having said that, I love my DuoSelect and would do it again in a heart beat (with FD DBWE).
 
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We work on Maserati and I have driven both..I honestly prefer the duo select cars, but only if they have the DBW module on them..They just take forever to shift in the factory settings. That is the reason they use a dual clutch transmission in most makes now. The auto cars are fine and require less up keep and still are a blast to drive.The duo select are unique and if you like to drive a car and get involved then I would recommend that, with the understanding that its gonna need a clutch at some point and a DBW module to make you happy. regards..Jason
 
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Some owners will argue for the Auto and some for the DuoSelect F-1. Honestly, I think you're best to drive them and see the difference. If you have a good independant near you that can install a new clutch (cost effectively) that may also play into your decision to choose one over the other. They both have their strong points. The F-1 is obviously the sportier of the 2 but does have a wearable clutch.

Owners have seen an improvement in clutch life with our DBW Enhancement Module installed. We don't have any official posted numbers since this will vary based on your driving style, maintenance and the fact that clutch wear is based on starts, stops, shifts, etc i.e. It's not directly tied to miles.

Either way, it certainly makes the car more fun to drive and we've heard great feedback from owners on the forum and in emails that have reported a nice improvement from the module since installing.

All in all, they really are both good transmission options, wish they still offered both!

Best Regards,
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Quick question.
Purchase of the DBW is imminent for me, but should the DBW be installed by an experienced professional?
Is it something anyone with adequate DIY skills and proper tools to execute successfully?
 
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duoselect for me....and well aware of the maintenance issue. Just drive and treat it like a manual car.....you shouldn't have any major problems with the clutch....of course you still have the pump and relay...etc.
 
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Fwiw, I've noticed, in several cases, folks who once touted the laurels of the F1 when they owned one now promote the Auto after having made the switch. I think there's a certain amount of defense for the things we own. I'm guilty, too. It can be tough to be truly subjective with these types of investments. Therefore the only way to know what's best is to drive both.
 
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I thought getting one with the ZF would be the best choice but I was wrong...it's not the transmission that is going to make me trade it in. It all the horrible noise coming out of the back seat this weekend.

Went on a short road trip from Seattle to Wenatchee and back to Seattle. All the bitching about how uncomfortable the back seat was is making me want to go back to a two seater as soon as possible. No more back seat passengers for me.

Guess it didn't help me telling the two wimmen if they didn't have such wide, childbearing hips they would fit just fine in those chairs :)
 
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Bob said:
Guess it didn't help me telling the two wimmen if they didn't have such wide, childbearing hips they would fit just fine in those chairs :)
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Said. Not "well" said, but just said.

;)
 
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Bob said:
Guess it didn't help me telling the two wimmen if they didn't have such wide, childbearing hips they would fit just fine in those chairs :)
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Now that's funny!!! :D

Hope that doesn't make me an, ahem, "sexist", but ask me if I care!!

It's like one can't laugh at anything that's genuinely funny nowadays without being branded this or that...:thumbsdown:
 
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