Different transmission naming schemes

pjv · Mar 9, 2011

I'm thinking of buying a 2007/2008 Quattroporte and trying to figure out the different names for the car's transmission
So far, I have seen these from sellers:

Duo select (I know I don't want this one)
F1
Automatic

What is the difference between the F1 an the other 2? Is it just a different name for the Duoselect (in early 2007 models), or is it an upgrade option in the

I am looking for the more reliable Automatica that was introduced in the 2007 model.

Also, I understand that the Duo Select and the Automatica are in different positions of the drive train (rear/front), but what are the differences in the interior (shifter, paddles,...)

Thanks for the help

Briik · Mar 9, 2011

F1 is Cambiocorsa, which is (kind of) Duo Select.
Duo Select was the name given to the newer F1 transmission in late models (07+???, IDK). I think they are basically the same mechanism.

Automatica is a pure automatic transmission. On the interior an Automatic will have a traditional automatic's selector knob/lever on the center console. The F1/Cambocorsa/Duo Select cars will have a small T-shaped lever with a rounded chrome tip that switches the transmission between Forward and Reverse. Both transmissions can have shifting paddles behind the steering wheel.

Automatic is the way to go if you're driving in the city or in traffic.

jtanoyo1 · Mar 9, 2011

I beg to differ. The F1 duoselect transmission is fine in city traffic driving as long as you get used to its characteristic. I drive the QP in Jakarta, which is the 3rd or was it 4th most traffic-jam-ed city in the world. Nothing to be proud of, but it's a testament that the F1 transmission is not THAT bad like how many people are making it out to be.

You just have to think of it as a real manual transmission, sans clutch pedal. Treat it like a real manual and it will reward it. Expecting the car to behave like an auto and it will really disappoint you.

Bentley Boy · Mar 13, 2011

Could not have put it better myself.If you really want an automatic buy that version but if you want a paddle shift manual with a compromise auto feature available then go for the duo select. It really is the best of both worlds but seems to be criticised for offering something extra!

Paul

pjv · Mar 9, 2011

From what I understand, the F1 Duoselect eats through clutches a lot faster than the full automatic, or is that only the case with the 2006 and earlier models?

veloce49 · Mar 9, 2011

There is no clutch on the full automatic. That's what makes it an automatic

Sunshine · Mar 9, 2011

If you want peace of mind and low maintenance costs (no need to regularly replace the clutch for the F1/manual transmission), then the automatic transmission is your best bet.

The Automatica has a ZF transmission (also used in other high-end vehicles), very reliable.

dino246gt · Mar 13, 2011

Does the duoselect, or F1 equipped car have a rear transaxle? The ZF automatic is mated to the engine like BMW or Mercedes, not? If the duoselect does indeed have rear transaxle, what is the rear suspension of the ZF equipped car?

TravisJ · Mar 16, 2011

dino246gt said:
The ZF automatic is mated to the engine like BMW or Mercedes, not?

"ZF" is that name of a German automotive parts supplier that sells transmissions to a variety of car manufacturers. Those manufacturers include BMW and MBZ (along with other less prestigious brands).

GFORCED · Mar 15, 2011

According to the Maserati technical field rep Eric Deck, the DuoSelect is the exact same gearbox and transmission as the Ferrari F430. So, if you like driving like a Ferrari, that's the way to go. Further, you rarely hear Ferrari owners say the F1 transmission is not desirable!

Many on this forum continually say these clutches need to be replaced all the time but that is pure myth as told to me by Eric Deck. He had a customer with 120K miles on a single clutch. Mine has 26K miles and the original clutch is like new.

Bcube · Mar 17, 2011

GFORCED said:
According to the Maserati technical field rep Eric Deck, the DuoSelect is the exact same gearbox and transmission as the Ferrari F430. So, if you like driving like a Ferrari, that's the way to go. Further, you rarely hear Ferrari owners say the F1 transmission is not desirable!

Many on this forum continually say these clutches need to be replaced all the time but that is pure myth as told to me by Eric Deck. He had a customer with 120K miles on a single clutch. Mine has 26K miles and the original clutch is like new.

Unfortunately, a quick check of any of the part diagram resources doesn't prove this statement. For example, the F1 electric pump is used in the 4200, OP, F360 and F575. It appears the only F1 parts exchangeable is between the F430 and F599.

william webster · Mar 15, 2011

I agree..... and there are many who will disagree...

I'm at 20,000 and have plenty of clutch left....80%......
yes, I do a lot of highway driving but I also am very tender on that clutch.....
as tender as I am with any $5000 bill :laugh:

From reading here.... I , for one, feel it has more to do with the driver than the miles driven

OK..... just shoot me.....:biker:

veloce49 · Mar 15, 2011

Opinions on clutch life seem to be practically worthless (no offense William) as the range is sooooooo wide. You have a better chance of solving "how many angels can fit on the head of a pin"

william webster · Mar 16, 2011

No offense taken.... my point exactly.....there is too far a range to say its the transmission's fault.

A previous post indicated that this transmission is identical to to the F-430.... go figure !!??
Do those boys complain about clutch life? Maybe they drive better b/c they paid double

As for those angels..... I just need one - he sits on my shoulder 24/7.

Just call me "Pinhead":cheers:

william webster · Mar 16, 2011

I dunno Travis..... alot of those F-Cars seem like Cafe-Cars to me..... short ttrips w/ the girlfriend in conspicuous places...

They must east clutches for breakfast if we believe what we hear here....

GFORCED · Mar 16, 2011

Clutches wear in general... It should never stop someone from buying a car though. I think what may be happening is that those who purchased the QP as a luxury car must have driven the car in automatic thus wearing the clutch rapidly and they made comments that the clutch was "problematic" and burned up quickly. I heard a story about a guy who drove in reverse uphill everyday to park and his clutch was toast in 10K miles.

Obviously, if you tried to drive the QP like an automatic, its not the way to drive the car...Especially an Italian car called a "Sport GT!" On the other hand, guys that love to drive and experience the joy of F1 racing and shifting themselves don't seem to complain about clutches...or anything for that matter! LOL

william webster · Mar 16, 2011

GFORCED said:
Clutches wear in general... It should never stop someone from buying a car though. I think what may be happening is that those who purchased the QP as a luxury car must have driven the car in automatic thus wearing the clutch rapidly and they made comments that the clutch was "problematic" and burned up quickly. I heard a story about a guy who drove in reverse uphill everyday to park and his clutch was toast in 10K miles.
Obviously, if you tried to drive the QP like an automatic, its not the way to drive the car...Especially an Italian car called a "Sport GT!" On the other hand, guys that love to drive and experience the joy of F1 racing and shifting themselves don't seem to complain about clutches...or anything for that matter! LOL

We have all heard the "reverse" horror stories...
it never truly engages in reverse - true or false?
uphills , in general, aer bad for these clutches - true or false
auto is worse than manual/sport - true or false

All of these are factors...... light feet solve many problems:cheers:

Briik · Mar 16, 2011

william webster;112646I said:
driver [/B]than the miles driven

I agree, the first owner of my QP had toasted the clutch in 15k, I'm on 12k and have tons of life left, and I drive it primarily in the city and suburbs. I am also one that agrees that the 'auto' mode toasts the clutch faster either by operation (slip) or by changing up a gear at every available opportunity.

RDougM · Mar 16, 2011

I drive a 2007 duoselect QP and love it. If you are buying a duoselect, check to see if clutch bearing has been replaced...likely would have shown up early in car life. Duoselect is very similar to Ferrari F1 and much better that early Maseratis and Ferrari 575s and 360s. I know it was in the 2005 QP and am told software/mapping was improved by 2007. The duoselect has a 47%/53% weight distribution compared with 50%/50% in the automatica. I think some post 2007 Maseratis switched to a wet sump vs dry sump engine. Overall, the duoselect QP is very much a Ferrari like driving experience with a more modest power/weight ratio. Sometimes the reverse shift level on the console breaks, expensive...see threads here. Clutch wear can be read by dealer. I imagine the ZF automatic is a very nice daily driver setup. Best wishes, Doug

william webster · Mar 17, 2011

I have smelled that "fried clutch"..... did it when putting the car away for winter.

I use those tire cradles and had to inch up onto them.... garage smelled like hell and i thought I felt a pain in my pocket.... could have been dreaming:laugh:

2000c43 · Mar 17, 2011

I have a 2007 Sport GT DuoSelect. Just got it recently and love it. Regarding "Sport" mode and "Manual" mode, is there any way to make the car stay in those modes every time the car is turned on? My car always starts in "Auto"...never "Manual" even if the car was in "Manual" when turned off. Regarding "Sport" mode, sometimes my car stays in "Sport" mode and sometimes it doesn't. I cannot figure out why it stays in "Sport" sometimes and not others. For me, it would be great if there was a way to make the car stay in "Sport" and stay in "Manual".

veloce49 · Mar 17, 2011

I had a 2005 QP (Sports Package). It would always start at Sport if it was left there from last use but always started in Auto regardless. I believe this was intentional to protect the car from not knowledgeable drivers, such as valets, etc.

Not the cas with my GS however. If you leave it in manual it stays there.

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