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Greetings, I have experience behind the F1 as I drive that now in a GS. Wondering if the GT I hope to buy would be a more enjoyable driver with the F1 or the ZF. I like the F1. I have had ZF in BMWs etc but assume the one in the GT is more interesting than those. Any drivers with experience in both? Thanks.
 

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F1 is more fun,but has a wear item in the clutch so the upkeep is much higher..The ZF box is pretty much gonna be like your BMWs..F1 in a Granturismo is pretty rare..I have only worked on two and we fix a lot of cars....Jason
 

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honestly go with the F1 you have a 599 tranny inside a beautifully designed car, its the best of both worlds... and for some reason my F1 stock seems alot louder then the MC sport models i hear... the shifts and downshifts and crackles you get are exactly like driving a 6 speed manual car, wont get that from the boring ZF... its the maintenance that scares everyone away from it but i have 33k miles on mine and i still have 67% clutch life left, get it PPI and they can run it and then you can decide
 

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.. the shifts and downshifts and crackles you get are exactly like driving a 6 speed manual car, wont get that from the boring ZF...
Whilst I will agree that driving the F1 may indeed be considerably more fun than the ZF, with all due respect, there is no way no how is it “exactly” like driving a fully manual car .. nothing can possibly match that, iMHO . I’ve driven what is arguably the most advanced transmission out there ( Porsche’s PDK ) and in spite of it shifting seamlessly and lightning-fast , it terms of feedback driving sensation and fun factor it does not even hold a candle to my six speed stick shift / pedal clutch manual Porsche . For a big touring car like ours, I think the transmission is even less important but if you do want that extra “ kick “, and are not concerned about the reported issues , whether valid or not , the F1 is surely more fun, but just not sure it’s worth giving up a nice ZF you might find, to hold out until you come up on a F1 which is a lot rarer ..especially in the US.
 

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F1 has wear issues especially when it is driven in city traffic a lot. It is more at home on the track. It would be a mistake to pass on a good ZF. F1 may be a bit more fun, but that doesn't mean the ZF is a slouch. In manual sport mode with paddle shifters the ZF is more than most drivers can handle. Either is a great choice.
 

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Do not buy the F1 if you don't know how to drive a stick shift.


All the comments that the F1 transmission sucks are from people who only drive automatics and don't understand the F1 transmission. These are the same people who will drive up or down a ramp slowly, or drive in full automatic mode and complain about the jerkiness etc.


If you prefer driving manuals to automatics then the F1 is a great choice. It's far more engaging and aggressive.
 

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F1 is only avail in the US for 2009. Yes its more engaging than sitting in Auto and a bit faster but its quite expensive to maintain and requires such maintenance far more frequently compared to the ZF. Also, comparing the fun/feeling of a paddle shift of any sort to a true manual is a bit of a stretch. No clutch peddle involvement and no rowing of the shifter. Both are actions I miss GREATLY in my GT and no finger clicking paddle will remedy that. I am fairly certain that most of us that own the GT spend the majority of our time in Manual mode, not Auto as suggested, so there is still involvement without the cost concerns.
 

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F1 is only avail in the US for 2009. Yes its more engaging than sitting in Auto and a bit faster but its quite expensive to maintain and requires such maintenance far more frequently compared to the ZF. Also, comparing the fun/feeling of a paddle shift of any sort to a true manual is a bit of a stretch. No clutch peddle involvement and no rowing of the shifter. Both are actions I miss GREATLY in my GT and no finger clicking paddle will remedy that. I am fairly certain that most of us that own the GT spend the majority of our time in Manual mode, not Auto as suggested, so there is still involvement without the cost concerns.
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Completely different car with the F1 tranny. To each his own but, truly, a completely different car. Drive both and decide. This is, obviously, a question of preference. I will NEVER convince anyone that my F1 is better than their ZF (and vice versa). And neither of us would be right or wrong.
And regarding maintenance cost, the OP already has experience with that (currently has a GS Duo). In my experience, if you maintain the thing properly, it'll treat you well. And we get a lot more mileage out of them than the previous generation.
 

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If you do decide to hunt down an f1 trans just search 2009 granturismo and look at interior pics to see if it has the buttons. I’ve come across many f1’s listed for sale on internet few years back but many don’t advertise them as such. Not sure how many on the market currently but couple years ago there was many to choose from in the 30-45k range. Pros and cons to both versions and no matter which model I have I’ll always think about the one I don’t have.
 

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I feel the F1 transmission in the Granturismo with its slow switching times as misplaced and annoying. A bad gearbox in the wrong car. The Granturismo is a heavy car, at the end of the day a real "Granturismo", the ZF transmission fits much better to the character of this car. There are good reasons why the F1 gearbox is no longer used.
 

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If you do decide to hunt down an f1 trans just search 2009 granturismo and look at interior pics to see if it has the buttons. I’ve come across many f1’s listed for sale on internet few years back but many don’t advertise them as such.

Interesting. For such a rare car, many of the 2009s I just searched had the F1. And none of them were advertised as such. Great idea.
 

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The F1 gearbox found in the GT-S, 2009 model in the USA is from the Ferrari 599GTB, it's no slouch but it also is a bit rougher than some will like. This is especially true in the North American Market where owners seem to prefer the lower maintenance and smoother nature of the Auto Gear Box.

Best advice is always to just drive it and see which you prefer. We love the F1 gearbox personally, especially when mated with the Drive By Wire Enhancement we offer for the car. Good maintenance is key as well on these models. If the car was well taken care of, you're going to see a better performing car where the Auto transmission cars mostly feel the same but also do very well.

Hope that helps!
 

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I feel the F1 transmission in the Granturismo with its slow switching times as misplaced and annoying. A bad gearbox in the wrong car. The Granturismo is a heavy car, at the end of the day a real "Granturismo", the ZF transmission fits much better to the character of this car. There are good reasons why the F1 gearbox is no longer used.
It's no longer used in the North American cars... but it was used far into the current decade in the worldwide market for Granturismos. Not sure if or when it was ever phased out.
 

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It's no longer used in the North American cars... but it was used far into the current decade in the worldwide market for Granturismos. Not sure if or when it was ever phased out.
Not sure it's *currently* available, but it's certainly far more common over here

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I feel the F1 transmission in the Granturismo with its slow switching times as misplaced and annoying. A bad gearbox in the wrong car. The Granturismo is a heavy car, at the end of the day a real "Granturismo", the ZF transmission fits much better to the character of this car. There are good reasons why the F1 gearbox is no longer used.
You indicate that the F1 trans has slow gear-shifts... and I suppose that is true... when operated in Normal and when not having your throttle down and the revs high - 'cuz in order for the shifts to be fast it has to be in Sport, throttle down, and revs high. As I said, I think you are right re the slow gearchanges when not driven aggressively.

I guess a good fix for this, though... and probably a must-have - is Formula Dynamics Drive By Wire mod. Drivability is no doubt much improved, and speeds-of-shifts are improved. Just saying, though, when the 'box is cold, mebe we DO want slow shift speeds to be easier on the (albeit stout) synchro's...?

You know, there is one side of me that says.... why did Maserati bother with a robotized manual, when, in fact it would be easier to drive if it were a simple manual 'box. I suppose part of it is that "floppy paddles" were- and to some extent still are de rigueur, flavour of the day. Also, even folks who don't know how to drive a manual - could drive it. But folks who do not understand and probably DRIVE a manual could never be happy with an F1 trans. Definitely rough...

In general, I think the ZF automatic probably is a better fit with the GT... but OTOH it certainly would be cool to have a plain-jane 6MT GT. You could then learn to drive it well, easier, than the learning effort (and duration) it takes to learn the F1 trans... And then the driver, directly by lever action, clutch action, could control shift durations, smoothness, etc...

YMMV. Interested in hearing Others' opinions on this matter.
 

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I love the Duoselect transmission. It shifts three times faster than I could in a manual, and also I am not interested in operating a clutch pedal anymore. I had a Porsche 944 5-speed for 12 years as my daily driver, I don't want to row gears and use the clutch pedal in city traffic anymore. I also love the perfect launch control it does no matter how much gas you give, and it gets really fun when you turn off MSP because then there is no traction control.
 

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Sean, do you always drive in Sport Manual?

If you shift gear at lower rpm's and throttle openings, is it still pretty slow shifting... in Sport Manual?
 
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