[flashgordon]

Has anyone tried the Tar-ox 10 or 12 piston brake kit for the Maserati coupe/ spyder? I talked to Gio at CEM autosports and he indicates that the Tar-Ox 14" kits are hugely superior to the standard 4 piston/ 13" brembo set up.

I tend to believe him given the unreponsiveness of the standard set up which personally I find barely adequate for a powerfull car pushing 3800 lbs.

CEM is asking $4750 CDN installed c/w stainless lines for the front. As an alternative, has anyone tried the Formula Dynamics pads (a lot cheaper at about $150 for 4)!

Mike

http://www.cemautosport.com/tarox.html

 

[GCalo]

I never heard of tarox and just e-mailed them.

I would be interested to see what they offer for the 360's.

Does anyone know anything about them or have experience with them?

I did state that I felt the Gran Turismo's brakes could be better as I had read stated by 3 reviewers.

I hear the 09 models are due for better front brakes. Interesting though isn't it?

 

[Troesma]

I never heard of tarox and just e-mailed them.

I would be interested to see what they offer for the 360's.

Does anyone know anything about them or have experience with them?

I did state that I felt the Gran Turismo's brakes could be better as I had read stated by 3 reviewers.

I hear the 09 models are due for better front brakes. Interesting though isn't it?

Heard of them, but never tried their pads or other braking prods. Think I have a PDF catalogue somewhere...

As for the 09 "improvements" well, no doubt it will happen. That's why it is never a good idea to puchase a car on its inception year, particularly with this sort of metal (unless it is a limited edition or short-batch production, quite obviously.) It needs factory to work on the feedback from dealers, both handling to mechanical.

 

[The Head]

Tar-Ox is a nice system a friend had one of thier setups on an older 911 he loved them...personally I am a huge fan of balanced brake mods I would not want to fuss up the balnce of the car by upgrading just the front brakes...I am changing to a different pad this winter will analyze the improvement from that this following summer and decide if larger brakes are in order...

 

[GCalo]

--- That's why it is never a good idea to puchase a car on its inception year, particularly with this sort of metal (unless it is a limited edition or short-batch production, quite obviously.) It needs factory to work on the feedback from dealers, both handling to mechanical.

Very true and that's just why I am not jumping to buy this car.

I need to see where it goes valuewise as well.

The QP's with DuoSelect are dropping in value like rocks. Will be interesting to see where the GT goes.

 

[FormulaDynamics]

Our pads are a reasonable upgrade but will not yield the performance of a superior system. In other words they help but are not the answer to the problem. I'm sure there are a few combinations we could work out to correct the problem but it's all about money. It would cost a fair bit to change the braking system and you may have some problems down the road with seamless ABS integration.

 

[flashgordon]

Thanks all.

When I spoke to CEM, they told me that the Maserati has about a 70/30 Front to rear brake bias and therefore there is no need to upgrade the rear other than cosmetics. They also said that most of their Tar-Ox kits go on Italian cars because they tend to be "underbraked" (as opposed to Porsche which have very strong race derived brake systems). They did not not seem to be too concerned about the effect on the ABS but then again I didn't ask.

It seems to me that this, along with the FD springs are the two biggest bang performance improvements that can be applied to these cars - not really that bad for $5K if it brings the braking/ handling up to say a 911 calibre (since the Maser engine is really in a class by itself)

Mike

 

[GCalo]

I did receive a very detailed response from CEM which I thought was quite considerate:

"Hello Greg

In respect to your question regarding brake pads

Over the last few years, Tarox did get smarter with their actual brake pads and applications to their various kits.

While the kit is engineered for each individual car, which is not the case with many of the competitors brands, the brake pads themselves are now specific to the brake caliper rather than the application of the car.

For an example, all of the 6 and 10 piston calipers use the now same brake pads now, albeit there are also some compound variations for different uses, but the design and fit are the same.

The 12 piston kits all use the same pads as well, regardless of the vehicle fittings.

Therefore, as of late, it is easier even for us the distributors, to inventory brake pads for kits, rather than specific vehicle fittings as we need only carry a few different models.

The actual brake rotor is a different story, while very specific to their applications, we must order them as needed, however there is a relativly short turn around time.

Anyway, what I can assure you of is that we at CEM have been importing TAROX products for a few years now, and have a good working inventory of spares if needed for our customers. What we do not have in stock for spares, we can arrange ex factory within days so down time is kept to a minimum.

I hope that answers your question

Regards

Gio
CEM"

Good response which answeed a few of my concerns.

These may be faily decent brakes. I may try for my 360.

 

[MaseratiBoy]

Dont buy anything yet.

I may be able to get a discount after talking to them.

 

[mille162]

Tar-Ox is a nice system a friend had one of thier setups on an older 911 he loved them...personally I am a huge fan of balanced brake mods I would not want to fuss up the balnce of the car by upgrading just the front brakes...I am changing to a different pad this winter will analyze the improvement from that this following summer and decide if larger brakes are in order...

you need to check out the EBC yellows. Just put those pads on my car and there's no more feeling of brake fade from 40mph - 0 when coming to a hard stop or from high speed. A little bit of faint squeeling when light pressure is used around town (stop signs and such), but a fair trade for the increase in stopping power.

 

[milanojess]

TarOx is a well known aftermarket brake supplier... at least in Italian car world. I don't have direct personal experience with them, but they appear to be high quality and few who've done tarox conversions that I know (not on maserati though were all very happy with the system. Pads selection is excellent as they use some of the popular pads, so you are not locked into a particular branded brake pads. Both porterfield and carbotech have pads for most of TarOX kits if memory serves me right.

BTW, does anybody know which cars' pads are equivalent of the GS? F/R

Jess

 

[mille162]

BTW, does anybody know which cars' pads are equivalent of the GS? F/R

Jess

Part #'s from EBC, and what was listed as also fitting the same pads

Front:
DP41032
*6dm1793
d639 front
BMW M5 e34
7 series e38
8 series e31
diablo
maserati ghibl

Rear:
DP4612r
*6dm1793
d345 f/r
Ferrari 348/255 mondial
porsche 911/944/968

 

[The Head]

Millie thanks for the input! as the EBC has a positive review I will probably go with some of the other manufacturers I am a huge fan of both Porterfield and Hawk pads and will probably try some of thier offerings for the Maserati as well

 

[xxxpres]

Hi, just found this thread, would that company which imports the Tar-ox kits have something for an 05 QP? I am looking to see if its even possible to fit their brakes on my car, seen the pics of a GS on their website with 16 piston calipers and I am very interested.

Thanks.

 

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