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Maserati Shows Off New Grecale SUV in Blurry "Spy Pics"

The Porsche Macan–fighting Maserati Grecale should arrive before the end of the year.
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merak1974
More spy photos of the Grecale: New Maserati Grecale Spy Shots Provide A Peek Inside The SUV
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Some final winter testing before the official debut: Maserati Grecale Teasers Show Off Cold-Weather Testing
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psb1013
Looks like a Porsche Macan knock-off. Lol.

Just how many more SUV's does the world really need?
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psb1013 said:
Looks like a Porsche Macan knock-off. Lol.

Just how many more SUV's does the world really need?
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More Stelvio than Macan, I would say... and I agree that the world doesn't really need more SUVs. Unfortunately, buyers disagree.
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merak1974 said:
More Stelvio than Macan, I would say... and I agree that the world doesn't really need more SUVs. Unfortunately, buyers disagree.
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You're right. Alfa beat them to the punch several years ago with the Stelvio.

Honestly, though, what does the Grecale bring to the table that other SUV's already don't?

It's going to end up the same way as the Levante......piling up in dealers' lots rotting in depreciation.

Maserati is desperately trying to imitate Porsche and it's going to fail.

They need to stick to becoming just a boutique manufacturer specializing in hi-end sports cars, but they're too dumb to realize that.

The brand has been watered-down so much through years of producing cheap, lackluster models that I'm doubtful that their image and reputation can ever be recovered.
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BlackMasi
Saw the launching video, what a great looking car, inside and outside. That seems to me to be reason enough for its coming sales successes. Well done Maserati!
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BlackMasi said:
Saw the launching video, what a great looking car, inside and outside. That seems to me to be reason enough for its coming sales successes. Well done Maserati!
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The launch video was very nice and very well put together.

However, as far as the car itself, to me, it's been there, done that.

If you want a small, Italian, fast, exciting SUV, the Stelvio QV is already out there. It's faster than most sports cars and sounds amazing as well. However, it's been a commercial failure, and I don't see the Grecale doing any better.
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From the launch it seems Maserati has come up with a really strong competitor to the Macan. I think it will sell well.
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merak1974 said:
From the launch it seems Maserati has come up with a really strong competitor to the Macan. I think it will sell well.
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They said the same thing about the Levante when it was launched. They claimed it would compete and sell as well as the X5 and Cayenne. ......and we all know how that turned out.
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psb1013 said:
They said the same thing about the Levante when it was launched. They claimed it would compete and sell as well as the X5 and Cayenne. ......and we all know how that turned out.
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The Levante is in fact Maserati's best selling model currently, and an important source of revenue for the brand...

Also, it seems Maserati has learned an important lesson, namely to introduce a "range-topping" model already at the launch. Unfortunately, when the Levante was launched the emphasis - especially in Europe - was on the diesel version, and it took 4-5 years before the Trofeo version was announced.

The Grecale launch was totally different, with a Trofeo version (with a detuned Nettuno engine) in the limelight, and ending with a preview of the Folgore version to be launched next year.
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merak1974 said:
The Levante is in fact Maserati's best selling model currently, and an important source of revenue for the brand...

Also, it seems Maserati has learned an important lesson, namely to introduce a "range-topping" model already at the launch. Unfortunately, when the Levante was launched the emphasis - especially in Europe - was on the diesel version, and it took 4-5 years before the Trofeo version was announced.

The Grecale launch was totally different, with a Trofeo version (with a detuned Nettuno engine) in the limelight, and ending with a preview of the Folgore version to be launched next year.
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So true.
I bet that little Grecale will sell pretty well (for a Maserati). It is sized nicely (smaller than the Cayenne and larger than the Macan), and the choice of powertrains should have something for everyone. The Trofeo version sounds like it will earn it’s Maserati name, and it is going to be interesting to see the Nettuno engine in other cars besides the MC20.
Like it or not SUV’s sell big and profits are high. I think people will jump at a unique suv with Maserati mystique, Maserati sound, and a lower price point.
While this may be distasteful to the rank and file Maserati car buyers, this expansion is good for the brand, and will help them continue to make the cars you love.
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BlackMasi
psb1013 said:
The launch video was very nice and very well put together.

However, as far as the car itself, to me, it's been there, done that.

If you want a small, Italian, fast, exciting SUV, the Stelvio QV is already out there. It's faster than most sports cars and sounds amazing as well. However, it's been a commercial failure, and I don't see the Grecale doing any better.
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...and now I can choose between two attractive, very fast small Italian SUVs, I think this is a good thing.

Yes, I'm with you on that, the Stelvio QV is a brilliant car and a very big success here in Europe or at least here in Switzerland. I am honestly even glad the Grecale is so close to the Stelvio, because that is an excellent basis.

I suspect that two such strong vehicles from the same group will support each other positively and ensure a stronger overall perception in the market. Stellantis may continue to use this base within the Group. Perhaps a sporty French SUV will also be launched on the market? The use of economy of scale also brings us customers further.
VAG sells the Macan as well as the small and strong Audi Q RS-models very well, both are successful.
After all, the market for this vehicle class is huge.

Even though I have always watched the Alfa Stelvio and was interested in this car, I would probably buy the Grecale. Because the Grecale just seems to me to have a little more class and elegance in design than the Alfa. Excellent are both.
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Grecale offers more style and grace than any of the German competitors, more upscale package than the Stelvio. Alfa and Maserati are more like Toyota/Lexus or Honda/Acura.
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merak1974 said:
More Stelvio than Macan, I would say... and I agree that the world doesn't really need more SUVs. Unfortunately, buyers disagree.
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What makes you think you'd be in a position to make such a statement about how many SUVs the world needs? I don't understand what you're saying.
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SimpsonTide985 said:
What makes you think you'd be in a position to make such a statement about how many SUVs the world needs? I don't understand what you're saying.
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It's an opinion, my opinion, although it is not really very controversial. Of course, you are free to agree, disagree, love, dislike, understand or not understand, or whatever; that is up to you.
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merak1974 said:
It's an opinion, my opinion, although it is not really very controversial. Of course, you are free to agree, disagree, love, dislike, understand or not understand, or whatever; that is up to you.
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Well, opinions have to be based on something---that's what I'm trying to get out of you. I'm just not sure what the basis is of what you're even saying. Do you actually understand your own opinion if that's how you're choosing to respond to someone who wants to challenge you on your views?

I'm genuinely curious to how you came to have such an opinion.
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SimpsonTide985 said:
Well, opinions have to be based on something---that's what I'm trying to get out of you. I'm just not sure what the basis is of what you're even saying. Do you actually understand your own opinion if that's how you're choosing to respond to someone who wants to challenge you on your views?

I'm genuinely curious to how you came to have such an opinion.
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You may want to check the discussion in the thread a bit closer; the statement you jumped on was just an affirmative remark on an earlier post. It was not meant to be an in-depth explanation of one's automotive preferences.

I also wrote in another post that the SUVs are vital sources of revenue for the marque, and that I think Maserati did a good job with the launch of the Grecale. It will surely be an important model for the marque's future.

If you are in the market for one, I firmly believe it will be an excellent choice.
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BlackMasi
Please excuse me if I butt in here. You can either like SUVs or not. But anyone who produces cars and wants to sell them should also focus on the larger growth trends/growth markets. The SUV market is one such market. For example, read the following article from Statista.

SUV registrations reach new record level.

The number of new registrations of sport utility vehicles, abbreviated SUVs, worldwide reached a new all-time high last year. As the Statista graphic based on data from the International Energy Agency (IEA) shows, a total of 35.6 million vehicles of this type were newly registered in 2021. This corresponds to a market share of around 46 percent. Around one in five of these cars (20.5 percent) were registered in Europe. A larger registration volume is only found in the USA (8.6 million SUVs) and China (11.2 million SUVs). SUVs are also very popular in Germany. The record SUV year to date is 2019, as this Statista graphic shows. At that time, 762,490 sport utility vehicles were newly registered in Germany. In the corona year 2020, there were around 142,000 fewer vehicles - with a similarly high market share.
The use of the term SUV and the growing commercial success of this vehicle genre began in the 1990s with the Toyota RAV4 and the Land Rover Freelander. SUVs have enjoyed increasing popularity among many drivers ever since. The reason: drivers have a better overview of traffic and more seating comfort thanks to the higher seating position. Compared to comparable sedans, the vehicles also usually offer more safety for the occupants due to their larger dimensions. For the environment and the parking situation in cities, however, the large and heavy SUVs are disadvantageous. As this Statista graphic for car models from 2019 shows, they emit more CO₂ than comparable sedans.
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Translation of the graphic above
Titel: SUV registrations reach new record level
Sub-titel: Number of new SUV registrations worldwide (in millions)
Numbers in bubbles: Marketshare (in percentage)
Then: Number of new registrations


Link to the article (unfortunately only in German): Infografik: SUV-Zulassungen erreichen neuen Rekordwert
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