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It's sad to hear what's happening on the CC support side. I have a 3 pedal so I should be happy as there will be a lot of used parts as CC's are scrapped, but I'm not because excellent cars are being sent to waste. My guess is that Ferrari is unhappy with the Maserati's they had to build and are trying hard to get them off the road. The Maserati's are 80% of a Ferrari for less than 20% of the price and that doesn't do the exclusivity of the Ferrari name any good. Remember too that Maserati is just a name and not a corporate entity.

I've posted several times that an Internet based SD service might be viable. The OBD2 and CAN bus are two wire serial signals so it's just computers talking to each other via the Internet. The owner could cycle the car as needed and the remote technician could do the readings and settings. Any takers?
 

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I wasn't aware of that. Could you explain why and shouldn't they have informed me if that's the case?
A few years ago Maserati opened a lot of new Maserati dealers. Those "new" dealers never sold an F1 transmission and will have no experience with it. If you find a Maserati/Ferrari dealer, they should have experience with the F1 transmission. Otherwise find a competent Maserati/Ferrari independent but make sure they welcome the F1 before you go to them.
 

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The advice is from knowledgeable Maserati owners and forum members who have, like most of us, learned that "selling" Maserati's in what "authorized dealers do best. "Repairing" a Maserati - not so much! The theme here and the key to survival with an older Maserati (out of warranty) is to get it to a capable, competent, and honest "INDEPENDENT" mechanic, and get your car OUT of any authorized dealership. I'm suspect there may be some good "Authorized Dealerships and if there are - fellow members, please post for the benefit of other Maserati owners. I will go on record here in Dallas that I can't find one and advise against using Boardwalk Maserati at ALL costs and even Park Place Maserati, except for the most routine of repairs. Anything of a significant nature, find a good, independent local mechanic OR ship the car as recommended herein (by several members to an expert such as the FI specialist in Boston.) Cheaper and better in the long run. I just joined the Italian Car Club of N Texas, quite active in social, driving, and track activities in hopes of my finding a good independent. All attempts to do so in using Google have been to no avail. Get off the computer and network with any local car clubs and good luck finding a qualified independent. These Spyders are great looking and most fun cars! It's just a dreadful experience to get them repaired as the Maserati Dealer Network is woefully incompetent and inadequate. Ricbee, we only learn this lesson when you hit the wall, as you have with your gearbox and I did with my suspension on my 2004 Spyder (with 23K miles on it), where the local Dealer wanted $22,000 to repair it. Needless to say, the car is no longer at the Dealer's shop! Good luck!
Have you looked at Norwood performance? Sorry you’ve had a bad experience with Boardwalk Ferrari/Maserati - they’ve been super good to me.

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From your description of a hard downshift to first, then a slipping clutch, it kinda seems like a damaged clutch disk or pressure plate. Perhaps because of the clutch slipping while you pulled it into the garage the disk bonded itself to the flywheel after it cooled... that might explain why it shifts while off or in the air. (Just an internet guess)

The fact that the dealer couldn't diagnose or do anything clutch related seems like they waisted a lot of time (theirs and yours) Get it to a competent shop and good luck. Keep us informed.
 

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I have read through all of the comments, so I apologize if I'm repetitive. BUT NEVER take a Ferrari-era Maserati to a Maserati dealer. Find a local Ferrari dealer OR ship to a reputable dealer/independent. If you're in the Washington, DC area, try Competizione & SportsCars. They're the best. These cars are rock solid … except for wear items, you should not have a problem with a complete failed component like a transmission. But, with that said … the car is not worth a $32,000 repair. You can buy a replacement for less.
 

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I have read through all of the comments, so I apologize if I'm repetitive. BUT NEVER take a Ferrari-era Maserati to a Maserati dealer. Find a local Ferrari dealer OR ship to a reputable dealer/independent. If you're in the Washington, DC area, try Competizione & SportsCars. They're the best. These cars are rock solid … except for wear items, you should not have a problem with a complete failed component like a transmission. But, with that said … the car is not worth a $32,000 repair. You can buy a replacement for less.
I totally second the recommendation of Competizione in Gaithersburg, MD, a highly regarded Ferrari independent shop. Richard and Fernando are great guys who’ve worked with me over the ten years I’ve owned my ‘03 Coupe GT 6-speed to keep it running well.
 

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The problems lie in the dealer's capability. The new dealers are being equipped with the SDX, which don't work on Maseratis but do work on legacy Ferraris. So the SD3s are being liquidated and the older F1 Maseratis are left twisting in the breeze. Additionally, they no longer provide real F1 training on the Maserati side for obvious reasons. With fewer and fewer cars being serviced, it's a waste of money for the dealers.

As for the used transmission, that's throwing money away. The transmissions are made up of the gearbox, clutch and F1 components. The gearbox is bulletproof and it is likely not the problem. The clutch and F1 require the proper diagnostic tool to diagnose. Once a scan is performed by a skilled tech, the problem will likely be obvious and easy to repair.

I believe Craig is one of the few techs local to you. I have sent a few examples his way from NY that were given $20K quotes from FM dealers.
UPDATE: I had my car towed home yesterday and plan on transporting it to Craig in Boston. I've been unable to contact him, however. I've tried email, texting and phone. His phone goes straight to voicemail and he hasn't responded. Is he still in business? I hope he is on vacation and will eventually reply. Anyone know another way to get in touch with him? I used the voice/text number on his website. Thank you everyone for all your input. I've learned a lot since I joined this forum.
 

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Get an estimate on shipping to Gaithersbug, Md. or Atlanta, may not be much more expensive.
 

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UPDATE: I had my car towed home yesterday and plan on transporting it to Craig in Boston. I've been unable to contact him, however. I've tried email, texting and phone. His phone goes straight to voicemail and he hasn't responded. Is he still in business? I hope he is on vacation and will eventually reply. Anyone know another way to get in touch with him? I used the voice/text number on his website. Thank you everyone for all your input. I've learned a lot since I joined this forum.
From his website [email protected], text/call 781-420-4766.
 

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A few years ago Maserati opened a lot of new Maserati dealers. Those "new" dealers never sold an F1 transmission and will have no experience with it. If you find a Maserati/Ferrari dealer, they should have experience with the F1 transmission. Otherwise find a competent Maserati/Ferrari independent but make sure they welcome the F1 before you go to them.
From your description of a hard downshift to first, then a slipping clutch, it kinda seems like a damaged clutch disk or pressure plate. Perhaps because of the clutch slipping while you pulled it into the garage the disk bonded itself to the flywheel after it cooled... that might explain why it shifts while off or in the air. (Just an internet guess)

The fact that the dealer couldn't diagnose or do anything clutch related seems like they waisted a lot of time (theirs and yours) Get it to a competent shop and good luck. Keep us informed.
I have a feeling you're right about this. For some reason the clutch is stuck against the flywheel and the transmission won't go into gear until it's released. That might explain why in the video they sent me the driveshaft is turning while it's in neutral. Can you explain why they could go through the gears while on the lift but not under load? Thanks. Still waiting to hear from Craig Waterman.
 

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Honestly, you need to get it scanned. It'll take a few minutes to read codes, internal fluid pressure and run a grid pattern. If the tech knows how to interpret the data, then the problem shouldn't be too hard to find.

If your clutch was "bonded" against the flywheel, the NCR should not let your car start. If the clutch runs too close to the flywheel where your kiss point is compromised the car will default to neutral. When this happens, it's typically a pressure issue. If your flywheel is glazed then you may get some sticking, bouncing or chatter but it should smooth out and/or at least not give problems to the extent where it disables the car.
 

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Honestly, you need to get it scanned. It'll take a few minutes to read codes, internal fluid pressure and run a grid pattern. If the tech knows how to interpret the data, then the problem shouldn't be too hard to find.
Second that you need to read the codes.

IMHO once an enthusiast car reaches a certain age you either need very deep pockets or at least an interest in doing the diagnostic work yourself. You don't need to do the actual labour but with experienced techs dying off you either need to be able to afford the hourly rate for the diagnostics or do that bit yourself. With that in mind it is very useful to have a basic tool for your own personal use. The cheapest tool I've found that can interface with all the ECUs on this car is the Launch X431 Pro Mini - I bought mine here LAUNCH X431 V Pro Mini Automovite OBD2 Bidirectional Active Diagnostic Scanner 724190800287 | eBay

The other thing is that as frustrating and stressful as it can be having an undiagnosed issue, it helps to know that it is definitely fixable for a reasonable amount. You can buy whole transmissions with all the actuators for as low as $1200USD, the OEM Valeo clutch is ~$1500 USD, a new TCU would be $400USD and Labour would be at most 6 hours with a good independent tech who has never even done the job before to swap out the entire drive line. So if you got absolutely stuck and just wanted to brute force a solution by replacing everything you should really be able to do it all under $4000USD ($4600USD if you buy your own tool).

If you're really struggling with finding a good local tech then shipping a car is definitely an option (it is something I've done in Australia, shipping a car from Perth to Sydney and back) but even if you go down that path, it can still help to have your own diagnostic tool. By having codes you can provide the mechanic with a better direction, and you can narrow down your costs by having a better idea of what parts you need.

So in your situation I would start with getting yourself an X431 and an ebay boroscope for $15. Read the codes and share with the forums to have a better understanding of what is happening. From there you can narrow down whether you need to even see a specialist as most of the transmission jobs are technically easy but require a hoist so any mechanic provided with a manual can do it. It would also be worth seeing if there are engine codes because it sounds like you money shifted. I don't know what sensors are communicated between the ECU and TCU, but there could be problems related to that bad shift affecting both ends of the car - and again, you need to read codes to have an understanding.

Hope that helps.
 

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Can you explain why they could go through the gears while on the lift but not under load?
Nope. Not really. well maybe a broken pressure plate...?
I was just speculating what could cause those symptoms if it were a manual tranny and not a F1 system fault. Just gotta see what the expert finds.
I would budget for a full clutch replacement but hope for something simple. keep us updated
 
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The car probably has a bad clutch as the rest of the stuff is pretty durable...Either way I can fix it no problem.....If you can't hold of Craig or get somewhere more local to fix it than I'll fix it for you..Let me know ...I don't have these crazy problems with F1 cars and I have fixed every single one that needed repair and I didn't replace everything either..Jason
 
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