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I have been following this board for about 10 months, which is when I purchased my coupe. I realize that everyone is very passionate about the car, but I was just wondering if anyone has decided to stop making excuses and just admit that for $100K, the build quality of these cars is not great. Maybe it's just my car but in the 10 months I have had my car it is has been in the shop for 2.5 months. I am not new to sports cars, having had a couple porsches, a lotus etc. so I understand their are issues, but....

Here is just a partial list of the problems I have experienced (all replaced under warranty): faulty rear sensor relay, faulty ignition switch, entire gearbox replaced, faulty F1 pump relay, faulty power steering pump, cd changer replaced. This doesn't include the stalling problems and other issues. If I actually listened to the nav instructions I would be in the middle of the SF Bay - seriously it told me to make a right turn while I was on the SF Bay Bridge.

In addition it took me 2.5 months to get an appoinment for the 6K check-up because I wanted a loaner and they only have one. The 6K check is $985 plus and additional $200 to flush the radiator. I know I am starting to sound like Larry Kaufman (for those of you that remember him) but I am starting to get a little tired of this car.

I feel better now.
 

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BrianS said:
I would be in the middle of the SF Bay - seriously it told me to make a right turn while I was on the SF Bay Bridge.
Treasure island, maybe?

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The 6K check is $985 plus and additional $200 to flush the radiator.
$985...that's rediculous. As bad of a dealership as Beverly Hills is, they only billed me 485. Why did they flush the coolant @6K? which dealership did you take your car to?

It's okay to vent. I still think it is a great car (maybe it's because I don't drive it everyday.)
 

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you are not alone Brian....

My car is in the shop right now and has spent about 2 months out of service.

I figured that the costs of ownership per year is $5000 minimum with the miles I drive per year (12,000)

My Mercedes and Lotus have never (knock on wood) had a mechanical breakdown...Instead of paying to fix the car, I am putting my money into aftermarket mods on them.

I spent this week contemplating the future of my car, the only thing is that I cannot think of another convertable which fits the bill to use as a daily driver....that is for this week......if she gives me another headache, I may be looking at the 07 Jag or an 06 Saab
 

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My car hasn't had anything break yet. As far as waiting for a service appointment...well that was your own choice, wasn't it? I went to Enterprise. I've never gotten a loaner car with any car I've ever bought, Porsche, BMW, Maserati, anything.

No, the build quality isn't the greatest out there. It's not an "only car" like a BMW. So what?
 

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Brian,

Who's doing trhe work? Silicon Valley or San Francisco?

I'm pretty happy with the car, not so happy with the service departments.
 

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Why was your 6,000 mile serive so much?

My bill was $471.00 at the 6,000 mile service? How did yours get to almost 1,000? Why did they flush the coolant?

Other than my drivers side window not going up and down as smoothly as I would like, no issues at 9,000 miles. The dealership in NJ has gone above and beyond. I just called and they said they needed just one days notice to bring it in and adjust the window again.

Demoe, does that $5,000 a year to drive include gas and insurance?

Cause I estimate $2,000.00 a year for gas. $1,400 a year for insurance. 1,000.00 a year for normal service (oil, fluids, filters etc.) and the wild card... THE CLUTCH....?? I am hoping to make it to my 18,500 service ++ so a clutch would be 3,000 or 170.00 a month...or 2,000 a year...

Bottom line for me.. $6,400.00 WOW... never looked at it like that... Kinda makes me angry..... BUT I DO LOVE MY CAR.....

What do others estimate their Total Annual Costs to drive are?? CM
 

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Demoe, does that $5,000 a year to drive include gas and insurance?

Bottom line for me.. $6,400.00 WOW... never looked at it like that... Kinda makes me angry..... BUT I DO LOVE MY CAR.....

What do others estimate their Total Annual Costs to drive are?? CM
Chris,

I forgot to add in gas ($3000) as I get 12 mpg, $3 per gallon over here, plus $1500 per year for insurance. So I guess I am at $9500 per year. I do write off about 10,000 miles per year @.445 cents a mile, so, I am at about $5000 yr.....w/o the milage reimbursement, not a chance I would consider keeping her.
 

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I go to FMSF. $985 is the standard charge I was quoted there for the 6K service. This does not include any additional repair services. The car is a 2002 CC coupe with only 6K miles. Service recommended flushing the radiator. I purchased the car 10 months ago with 2300 miles, but there was no record of the radiator coolant being changed. The manual recommendeds that the coolant be changed every 2 years. It was not part of the 6K service.

As for waiting for the loaner, you are right, that was my choice. So I back off on one of my issues. Don't get me wrong I love driving this car. I would say that it is the most enjoyable car I have ever driven. I just feel that an extraordinary number of components have failed on my car, most within the first 3,000 miles.
 

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And I thought Jersey was expensive.....

Cali makes Jersey look like a cheap place to live....

I thought I was getting robbed filling up with super at 2.51 a day ago....

3.00 will be here before the summer...

But 6.00 PLUS.... That is not an option.. I will take out my rollerblades and scooter... That is insane! Put me on a bus....

I have only had my 04 Coupe for 10 months and I have been keeping a log of ALL costs associated with it. (Like $200.00 for a front license plate set up--They charged me per screw........)I will post the exact amount at 12 months or so.

Demoe, glad you get that write off..... I would have a huge problem paying 9,000 to own and operate a vehicle.. I really do not care what kind.. Almost 1,000 per month after you shell out big bucks...

Upon audit, I have to note my $6,400 figure. My prior three cars were CLK 430s and a BMW 330. My insurance has always been around 1,500, plus when I was in my twenties I was driving these cars to Philly, AC, NYC and the shore just about every weekend putting on about 20,000 miles a year. It looks like I will be at 12,000 miles per year on the Maz. My point being, I just realized its been costing me $3,000 each and every year for the privilge of driving...

So the Maserati actually only costs an incremental $3,500.... Now I feel much better.... ha ha... Money is meant to be enjoyed... and spent... These cars provide an opportunity for both... Just wish the Clutch would last longer or not be so dam expensive.....

CM
 

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the bleeding continues....

I forgot to add the $800 per year, for the Extended Warranty ...Can;t drive an Italian car w.o some protection!

Plus the gas has creeped to over $3 just this week.....as summer gets nearer, supply goes down, price goes up.....

I guess the bright side is we don't get screwed like the Brits do!
 

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reliability $$

02 cc spyder owner here, my i offer suggestion on saving insurance $$ get collector car coverage. my cost per year on 20+/- cars $200.00for all, liability only. i also insure declared value $$ its cheap! limit is 3500 mi. per car per year reliability problem was clutch i contribute part to rotten dealer in middle ohio. i now send car to chicago on roolback
 

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Brian, FMSF is the place to take it. I wouldn't recommend Silicon Valley to my worst enemy. Gino's a good guy.

I don't have my cars on collectors policies, I can't hold them under 3500 mi but I do have them on limited mileage policies. 7500 mi/yr for each. I've also been with my carrier forever, so get a good driver and loyalty discount, plus multiline, multicar - premiums for all three are under $2000/yr (with a $1500 deductible).
 

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insurance cost

with those high power cars your ins. $ sounds good. since i live mile & half from work 3500 miles is livable. divided by 16 maseratis, ferrari aston etc. by the way, how is the list of cars appearing on every post?
 

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It's a "signature"

Up at the top above the ad, click on "User CP" (User Control Panel). Look to the left for "Settings and Options" and click on "Edit Signature"

type whatever you want to appear in each post in the box labeled "your signature"

click "Save Signature"

the next time you post, look below the "submit reply" button in "Additional Options" and check the box that says "show your signature"
and that Signature should then appear in each post.
 

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i though i was crazy or i just bought a lemon ..until i read this post...and let me tell you guys what a relief to know that my coupe spent more time in the service departement than me driving it .....what a nightmare!!here is a part of a list that they changed on the car in the last year and believe or not i still have an airbag light on... crick and crack from the axle ....:
my car has 12000miles on it
_ they replaced:
-3 times the clutch
-f1 pump
_valve cover gasket
-the whole climate control unit ...cause the heater was stuck
-the a/c fan
-rear sway bar with buching ,link kits
-both rear shocks
- cd player
-reprogrammed my ecu aout 20 times
-mass air flow sensor
-the central axles between the motor and transmission
-window regulator (left side)
-both catalyctic converters
i bought this car brand new ...never accidented...never abused...and let me tell you that the service guys hate to see my face and i'm tired to see theirs!!
other than that the car is fun to drive but i will think three times before buying a maserati or a ferrari next time...i will put up with it until the warranty is finished ...and goobye charlie!!!......
 

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Well so far (knock on wood), no issues with my car after 11 months of driving. Cost of driving it excluding insurance and fuel has been a big zero.
I guess alot of it is luck. Before that, my '01 M3 had a few visits to the dealer for creaks and noises but it was a cab., and my '00 328Ci was lemon lawed after 2 years.
 

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18 months, 12k miles and no issues.....and yes i get a loaner. In contrast my M3 was unreliable and needed a new engine.

Maybe the Italians deliberately sabotage the US ones...!
 

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I also had one in shop more than on road!!!

nabil325 said:
i though i was crazy or i just bought a lemon ..until i read this post...and let me tell you guys what a relief to know that my coupe spent more time in the service departement than me driving it .....what a nightmare!!here is a part of a list that they changed on the car in the last year and believe or not i still have an airbag light on... crick and crack from the axle ....:
my car has 12000miles on it
_ they replaced:
-3 times the clutch
-f1 pump
_valve cover gasket
-the whole climate control unit ...cause the heater was stuck
-the a/c fan
-rear sway bar with buching ,link kits
-both rear shocks
- cd player
-reprogrammed my ecu aout 20 times
-mass air flow sensor
-the central axles between the motor and transmission
-window regulator (left side)
-both catalyctic converters
i bought this car brand new ...never accidented...never abused...and let me tell you that the service guys hate to see my face and i'm tired to see theirs!!
other than that the car is fun to drive but i will think three times before buying a maserati or a ferrari next time...i will put up with it until the warranty is finished ...and goobye charlie!!!......
OK, I was using much restrain for the last 16 months, but now that I'm the hopefully proud owner of a new (first owner only put 900 miles on) '06 GS, and the '04 CC is about to be turned into the nearest Mazer dealer this week, I can share my experiences as well. Someone's got to at least give me credit for sitting on my hands for 15 of the 16 months since I purchased the '04 in 12/04 and since had it in the shop for a total of almost 3 months. My first malfunction occurred within days of picking the car up. Similar to my '06, the '04 had 1,100 miles on it when I bought it. The first incident was an inability to start the car to the point that I just about called a tow service since the battery was almost kaput. A week later I noticed a loud rattling noise under the middle of the car after idling approx. 7 minutes. they misdiagnosed this and returned the car indicating some sort of repair to the climate control fan assembly. Also, the seats since then never returned to normal postion after flipping the seatbacks forward then back again. This was referenced about 6 times in the shop and they kept referencing something about clearing and reprogramming the seats. To this day, they still don't function properly. The rattle issue was a torque tube converter that ultimately took them 3 1/2 weeks to diagnose and repair. meantime, they're giving me a BMW 3 series as a loaner and the '04 was my daily driver and I was starting 2 businesses w/ alot of client trips, etc. I also had 3 occassions where on a 95 degree day, the temp gauge maxed out and the oil pressure gauge went to "0", as well as all the related idiot lights were flashing. 3rd time I was sitting in dead still traffic trying to get into the Lincoln tunnel during rush hour and not ruin the engine. Finally babied it through, took it in and the finally realized it was a shorted out wire to the auxilliary fan, which went completely by their attention the first time it was serviced for this issue. Now I got MNA involved and by that time, I had a service file so thick it was embarrassing...about 10 visits and about 3 months in shop over 10 months of ownership. All they did was to offer me one month's lease payment as compensation for everything. The following are just things I can recall in addition to the items above:
Major oil leak which took them 2 weeks to identify and 10 days to repair (bad gasket)
Ignition switch
Brake pedal switch
Squealing brakes several times
Trunk latch broken-twice
Headlight broken
Headlight washer broken
Roof liner retainer clips missing
Many rattles and squeaks throughout cabin
"T handle" for D/R transmission on console just ripped off in my hand
Engine cut out in middle of busy intersection and couldn't restart:Happened twice
Too many times to count..Check engine icon flashing for no apparent reason
Too many times to count...MSP, ABS and other similar warning lights lit up

You may ask: why did I go and get another one? By reading this board, I came to the conclusion that indeed, I bought a lemon. Accordingly, I brought a suit, it was picked up by State of NJ due to its strength and they got me a court date in 20 days. I've NEVER sued ANYONE in my ENTIRE life!! Not even a warning letter from an attorney. However, when you buy a $100k car in 2004 as opposed to 1984, you expect not to have to have it in the shop that much and have so many reliability concerns. The dealership treated me like crap as well, so your comment about the dealership not wanting to see you coming, I can relate to big time! At any rate, the suit has settled and they took me out of the lease, paid it off, took the car back and refunding me all my money less a modest charge for use of the car.

I have had a few glitches w/ the '06 GS, but I'm crossing my fingers so far and hoping that's all it will be. It appears that maybe a lot of people held back from sharing their frustrations just like I did, now it appears like a bit of a flood of reliability concerns coming out of the woodwork. I'm happy to share anything about my experiences both about MNA as well as the dealership, just PM me. Obviously, I haven't turned my back on the car/company at all. I would just love to have this GS turn out to be a wonderful experience for me and so far it appears as though it should be. I was just very disappointed and disillusioned when the dealership and MNA refused to do more than offer a month's lease payment to address my concerns. This is very much a word of mouth market, vs simply advertising, and there are a number of options for people willing to drop this kind of money, to say the least. That said, I do believe this is a wonderfully designed and engineered vehicle. And when it runs well...it runs beautifully!! That's why I'm back. however, if I wind up going through what some of you have gone through and what I went through w/ the '04, I'd be foolish to keep coming back for more. Once shame on you, twice shame on me, I think the saying goes! And for good reason, to be sure!
Carl
 
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