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Hi - total newbie - have been hankering after a QP5 for years and can now consider one of these (I hope links are ok)
But I keep chopping and changing between which one I prefer. I haven't driven the blue one yet.

My main questions are:
1. They are both ExecGT but grey one has mesh grill and red calipers - were they options at the time or do they indicate some general difference between these cars? Otherwise they both seem to be identical spec (except blue has no paddles)

2. I think grey was built much later in 07 than blue (which is possibly 2006 build) - Are there any reasons why that might matter?

3. I'm told grey has had the variators done - receipt available, I don't know yet about blue - is that reason enough to go for grey?

4. Blue has main dealer stamps up to 55k but with 106 on it now (kilometres), I haven't been able to examine the grey's history yet.... is that 50k gap in history a reason to rule out blue?

5. Blue is a 1 owner car, grey is 3. I put a lot of store in things like that... 3 would be just about my max for a 13yo car. I really like the fact blue is only 1 owner - I wonder did they just drop out of main delaer servicing for rest of ownership

For info, I'm trading in a fully optioned 2011 Merc E350CDI. Sometimes I think blue is a bit ordinary looking compared to grey, but I do like the interior colours. aaarrrgggh!

Btw - would it be sacrilege to fit a mesh grill on the blue one if I end up with that?!



Sorry turned out longer than I intended - but any opinions would be very much appreciated
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They both look really nice. Knowing you're not going to have variator issues in the future would be a pretty strong selling point for me. I'm surprised how much more expensive they are in Dublin as we can get a low mile 2011 or newer for that over in the US right now.

If you can' t choose between the two that you're looking at, maybe neither one is the right one for your taste and you may want to keep searching for a little while longer. With all that's going on in the world right now we've all certainly got plenty of time on our hands..

Good luck and let us know how you get on!
 

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1. the standard ExecGT of 2007 would have the mesh grill, and I think also Executive GT written on the B pillar. But you could at the time almost freely configure the car, so in the end most likely no specs difference between the 2. The Blue seems really to be all options (including refrigerated front seats, a separate option from the Executive GT pack) except paddles. Paddles are nice to have but this is a very easy addition (I did it myself following instructions found on this forum).

2. The mesh grill could indeed indicate a slightly later production date, but no significant difference as they both have the ZF transmission = this is what matters. More comfortable drive. No clutch to change (but given the mileage, might be good to have a gearbox oil change if not done)

3. variators can be a costly repair, but also the Grey is more costly to purchase. By about the same amount.

4. It could, but the way the Blue car's interior looks really pristine seems to indicate a very careful owner. Maybe he just found that a good small independent garage is better than a so-so Maserati dealership (I did) ?

5. I believe that buying such a car should also follow a sense of aesthetic. Pure personal taste but I find the Blue, with the grey interior much more outstanding and true to the name of Executive GT.
 

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thanks for that.... I forgot to mention I am looking at approximately the same cost for each one, 17k give or take. Vehicle import taxes etc are prohibitve in Ireland, these cars were around €200k new, so very few ever came to our shores, and I have only ever seen one facelift.
All the ones for sale today (about 7, mostly Duo Selects) have been on the market for the last 5 years - no joke. And the prices are rarely updated to reflect the passing years. So I don't feel I have the option to wait, especially with the strange times we are heading into.

anyway, thanks, appreciate your input
 

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In my opinion, I would go with the grey one. For starters, any scratches will almost never be seen. Second, the dark grey would look killer when matched with black rims. New gearbox is always good. That's a 6 to 10 grand savings right there.
 

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thanks again - kidskid79 - I'm not much of a modder tbh, I like cars totally stock - the most I would do would be to fit a mesh grill.
Going to look at the Blue tomorrow and possibly try to push through the deal due to lockdown.
Variator is my big question mark.
I'll insist on that being included in "warranty" (only three months of course) and use that time to put the money aside to tackle it. If I get to hear a stone cold startup and no noise I think i'd be happy enough with that, however misguided.
30 minutes on ML with "variator" as your search is a sobering experience :eek:
 

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I noticed some surface corrosion on the underside of one of two cars I am looking at ... would it be normal? I am thinking 'yes', in our maritime climate here on the coast.
The one I found strange though was on the rear door latches on the body (pictured) and under the window frame. As it's not my car I didn't want to go poking around underneath to see what the bubbling was from.
Anything to be overly concerned about?
 

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I noticed some surface corrosion on the underside of one of two cars I am looking at ... would it be normal? I am thinking 'yes', in our maritime climate here on the coast.
The one I found strange though was on the rear door latches on the body (pictured) and under the window frame. As it's not my car I didn't want to go poking around underneath to see what the bubbling was from.
Anything to be overly concerned about?
I would check for water leaks that may come from slipping rubber seals. I would also check the trunk to see if any moisture build up in there. They use a sealant on the rear tires in the wheel well and that can sometimes wear out causing moisture to seep in. Definitely do a water check on it and see if there are leaks in gaskets or seals.
 

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I already read about moisture / corrosion between rear door and rear wheel caused by application of sealant and water stagnating, but here the corrosion is on upper parts or open air, which is a little worrying, for a car described as "pristine" in the offer. My QP, also 2007, has nothing close to this although also leaving on an island (albeit less humid than the Emerald Isle). At least the sign that the car has not benefited from sleeping is a garage.
 

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I'd stay away from buying any of these beauties with rust issues. That rust on the inner door hardware is most likely only the tip of the iceberg. Once rust starts setting in it's going to really destroy what's left of the value of the car. Too many good rust free ones out there for nearly the same price to bother risking it when you don't have to. I'd keep looking for another one if at all possible.
 

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well, that's just my "problem" - these are the only two ZFs, and have been for the last few years. I understand only 5 ever came to Ireland in total. UK import is no longer an option since they changed emissions/tax laws here a few years ago.
Dealer is arranging with local Maserati specialist (and by local I mean the only one in Ireland) for me to visit when car is in for service/oil change etc and I will discuss the corrosion with him when it's on a lift.
If he reckons it's only surface and is treatable I'd factor that into negotiations.
The grey one had some as well. Were these cars galvanised?
 

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I don't think they were galvanized but the primer and paint on them is really good and seems to hold up really well.

There are two bolt on metal supports underneath that all seem to get surface rust on them that most likely didn't get as good of paint on them as everything else. You can see what I'd consider the only real normal corrosion to expect on the plate between the catalytic converters and sub-frame shown in the picture below.

Good luck with your purchase, hope it all works out for you.

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ah now that's interesting, thanks. I happened to take a pic of that part also
... "mine" is a lot worse than that alright... having said that, the subframe it's attached to appears ok.
They are pretty strict on corrosion in the government vehicle tests here... and this car passed it.
What kind of climate/part of the world are you in if you don't mind me asking?

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I'm in Florida, my 2008 spent most of it's life tucked away in a climate controlled garage and had zero corrosion except on these two plates, my current 2012 spent most of it's life near the beach in south FL and aside from some minor white oxidation on the bare aluminum bits the rest of the car is pretty much corrosion free as well.

That picture doesn't look bad at all, you could have those pieces unbolted, blasted and painted in no time at all. If the rest of the underside looks ok, you're in great shape.
 

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going to look at Blue again today for a closer look underneath - thought I'd pop these vids up....:
2 questions - the metallic tick tick which I have hears on some cars and not on others - what is it?
The car has a misfire - is that what the slight pop/stutter is in the the exhaust? (it's quite subtle in the video)


1 question here - the tappet on the left bank.... serious?

thanks as always
 
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