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La Bella Machina Eleganza

So, this may be a long post with pics of the event so I'll break it down.

The Event - Saturday Concourse Only

Overall it was a nice event - great location, great drive, met some fellow Maseratilife members including Jeff @ FD and others. The car's were excellent (too many Lambo's for my taste), the Bizzarini's were my favorite with the Maserati Birdcage's following up second. I also had some time to get an in depth look at some Ferrari 328's which may be an addition in the future. I think the vendor's will be of the opinion (including Jeff) that from a turn out perspective it was disappointing - obviously this gave the rest of us the ability to spend more time looking at the cars without dealing with any crowds. Good for us, not good for the vendors - which, by the way, Jeff's was the only booth worth spending more than 2 minutes at. All in all I had a great day. Hopefully next year I can join others on the track.


Install's

I hooked up with Jeff @ FD with the intention of doing the brake lines and pads. Unfortunately, the event planners, after encouraging Jeff to do installs, saw fit to give him a spot on the grass making it virtually impossible to lift the car. In the end, we abandoned the attempt notwithstanding Jeff's determination to get the job done. We were, however able to go ahead and install the Larini x-pipe. But after a quick listen and then a trip to "Toronto Craig's" (sorry Craig, forgot the Avitar) QP with Larini mufflers installed the prior day by Jeff, I went for the mufflers too. It was impressive to see Jeff determined to do the work in very difficult conditions. Great job, great effort, top notch guy and businessman.


Side note: I have already installed the DBW and BMC air filter. Two great upgrades. At some point soon, I will do the springs.


Larini's

First off, a note in case anyone else runs into this. About 30 minutes into my drive home (the first drive with the exhaust) the car lost all power on the highway, ie, the engine was running fine, but when you floored it - nada, you would creep along at 50 on the highway very slowly gaining speed but revs were limited. I pulled over and spoke with Jeff. He thought that possibly the ECU was confused by the new airflow and went into "Limp Mode" for protection. I shut down for a minute, started up and tried again. The car was perfect and has remained that way since.

Lesson: The car has a limp mode that the ECU engages to keep the car running but not allow you to rev to much until the possible problem is addressed. In this case, all it needed was a minute to reset/adjust.


The new exhaust.

Exhausts are simply a matter of personal opinion - and I for one am having a tough time determining what's right for me.

The Larini's (X-Pipe and Mufflers) are definitely high quality products that give a great burble and, when combined, an awesome F1 "tuned" sound I did not fully understand this until I heard it personally behind the wheel. Also, I did not here this sound on any of the vids - I believe you can only really appreciate them and hear the F1 high tones in a smooth progression when moving (say 50+) - I loved it all the way home.

My issue, however, and not necessarily someone else's, is that the Larini x-pipe and mufflers may be too loud for me. If I was on the highway all the time they would be fine. But for me, cruising around town, they may be just too loud - I suspect the Tubi's or any other aftermarket would be - except possibly the GS OEM Mufflers. For others they may very well be perfect as they would no doubt be if I was 20 again- but, at this point in my life I actually don't enjoy driving through my local supermarket parking lot and have every single person stop to look. I want to be inconspicuous at times.

So, reluctantly, I restored the center resonator and left the Larini Mufflers. The result is - okay - I definitely have the low end rumble and it is much quieter/livable around town - better than stock but I have lost that F1 sound and am not satisfied. So, after a long discussion with Jeff (who has lots of patience), I will put the x-pipe back on Saturday and give them some time to quiet down and also work on my driving habits - ie, adjusting rpm's/gears to lower the decibels when I want to (eg. shopping center).

Jeff's view is that the volume will drop 10-20 % in time as they carbon up. Does anyone have any first hand experience ?

Otherwise, Jeff is standup and really aims to help out and provide personalized service rather than simply sell a product. All Aces.


Here are some pics of the event.
 

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So, reluctantly, I restored the center resonator and left the Larini Mufflers. The result is - okay - I definitely have the low end rumble and it is much quieter/livable around town - better than stock but I have lost that F1 sound and am not satisfied.
Interesting. I knew the x-pipe increases volume but did not know it would change the exhaust note significantly. I was thinking about getting Larini mufflers only. Now I wonder if mufflers alone will make enough of a difference.



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Great review mate, thanks for posting it.

I am about to order a whole load of FD stuff (air filter, ECU, DBW, springs, Larini x-pipes and mufflers). Let's hope it all goes ok!


PS: Can't see the picture you posted.
 

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For the event itself:

It was a great event, it was so good to meet our customers in person. It was challenging from a business perspective to justify the costs of the event and all of our hard labor for the return on the event itself. Make no mistake about it though, the guys at the event are very good to deal with and it was a high class production. With that said, turnout was a bit low.

In our case, it's so important to reach out in a personal way to our customers and I think we were able to help a few of them with installs that were a bit unsure of who to take the car to. In the end game, we're working to create a strong installation network so that we can feel just as confident sending you to a partner / installer.

I will say this... we had more than a few customers at the event that did give us a firm handshake and excellent compliments on the products and our work... that's always of strong importance in my eyes.

Thank you to everyone who came to the event and gave us the opportunity to speak with them.

For the exhaust:

The Larini X-pipe and Mufflers are designed to work together. I really mean that. They produce the best sound when put together. Others on this forum have said that they have Tubi Mufflers and the Larini X-pipe brought them alive as well. To get the closest to the Ferrari Italian Sound and the F-1 type notes you need both.

The Mufflers alone are an upgrade for sure but once you hear them with the X-pipe, you'll be ruined. That is, it's hard to live without it. It seems that the issue for Ramp as well. He loves the sound but the volume is a bit high for his taste. The pipes do season in a bit and that may help, if not an aftermarket resonator may be added to get the perfect levels. We're working to find the solution for him.

There are a few ways to control the tone and volume with various combinations of products. It can be tricky. It can also be fun to get it just right, but it takes a bit of patience. To me it's rewarding to get the correct final result.

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For what its worth, I got the Tubi boxes first and lived with them and the stock resonbator for about 3 months. Then I had the Larini X-pipe installed . The Tubi boxes were wonderful, as I loved that deep bass rumble and the improved air-flow along with the BMC. I was concerned that the Larini would change the tone of the exhaust to a higher-pitched sound and might be too loud. After the Larini install, the car was much louder (50%) but instead of muting the bass of the Tubi it simply added a wonderful high-pitched tone and a much more free-flowing exhaust.
The sound is as loud as I would ever want it (no louder), and it simply screams under hard acceleration. It sounds like the former (sadly) V10 F1 cars as oppossed to the Larini boxes with the X-pipe which is just much higher pitched all the time. I love the combination of the Tubi + Larini X; I wouldn't want to drive across the country with it, but the full-bodied sound and the obvious improvement in HP/performance made it worth it to me. A QP is a luxury/family car and it may be too much for such applications. Listening for yourself is the key, and Jeff is a great guy who will surely work something out with you.
 

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Also worth noting... the Larini + X on the QP is much more quiet than the same configuration on the coupe, spyder, gs.

Not even one complaint in this regard. The cabin noise is still very quiet and suitable for a sedan but with that unmistakable sound that lets you know that there is a Ferrari engine under the hood when you bring the revs up.

I'll try to get the video posted in a few days but I'm not sure if it will capture it completely.
 

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For the event itself:

The Larini X-pipe and Mufflers are designed to work together. I really mean that. They produce the best sound when put together. . . . To get the closest to the Ferrari Italian Sound and the F-1 type notes you need both.

The Mufflers alone are an upgrade for sure but once you hear them with the X-pipe, you'll be ruined. That is, it's hard to live without it. It seems that the issue for Ramp as well. He loves the sound but the volume is a bit high for his taste. The pipes do season in a bit and that may help, if not an aftermarket resonator may be added to get the perfect levels. We're working to find the solution for him.
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Update and some more Pics

I reinstalled the Larini x-pipes today and once again love the F1 sound. It's only been 1/2 a day so I'm going to give it some time to break in and the decibels to lower a bit. However, I will make the following comments.

1. I am pleased I put it back - it is not as loud as it had initially been - I attribute this to a little break in on the mufflers and better sealing of the pipe connections. My mechanic and I both agree that after hearing it now vs when we took it out, we believe there was some exhaust leakage through the connections making it louder.

2. We had a bunch of enthusiasts around his shop while doing the install - mostly muscle car guys - but they all agreed that the tuned sound with the x-pipe and mufflers was awesome and in keeping with a Maserati - keep in mind that most of these guys were running headers directly to side pipes or straight pipes out the back !

3. I'll keep you guys informed - my wife is taking her first drive in it tonight with full Larini. We'll see what she says - she actually is pretty keen and is less 'humble' than I regarding the neighbor issue.

Here's some pics.
 

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Great photos Ramp (and thanks for the update).

I am not even gonna bother with the wife test, she already thinks the GS is too noisy so she doesn't like riding in it :rolleyes:
 

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Awesome cars and awesome pictures.




La Bella Machina Eleganza

So, this may be a long post with pics of the event so I'll break it down.

The Event - Saturday Concourse Only

Overall it was a nice event - great location, great drive, met some fellow Maseratilife members including Jeff @ FD and others. The car's were excellent (too many Lambo's for my taste), the Bizzarini's were my favorite with the Maserati Birdcage's following up second. I also had some time to get an in depth look at some Ferrari 328's which may be an addition in the future. I think the vendor's will be of the opinion (including Jeff) that from a turn out perspective it was disappointing - obviously this gave the rest of us the ability to spend more time looking at the cars without dealing with any crowds. Good for us, not good for the vendors - which, by the way, Jeff's was the only booth worth spending more than 2 minutes at. All in all I had a great day. Hopefully next year I can join others on the track.


Install's

I hooked up with Jeff @ FD with the intention of doing the brake lines and pads. Unfortunately, the event planners, after encouraging Jeff to do installs, saw fit to give him a spot on the grass making it virtually impossible to lift the car. In the end, we abandoned the attempt notwithstanding Jeff's determination to get the job done. We were, however able to go ahead and install the Larini x-pipe. But after a quick listen and then a trip to "Toronto Craig's" (sorry Craig, forgot the Avitar) QP with Larini mufflers installed the prior day by Jeff, I went for the mufflers too. It was impressive to see Jeff determined to do the work in very difficult conditions. Great job, great effort, top notch guy and businessman.


Side note: I have already installed the DBW and BMC air filter. Two great upgrades. At some point soon, I will do the springs.


Larini's

First off, a note in case anyone else runs into this. About 30 minutes into my drive home (the first drive with the exhaust) the car lost all power on the highway, ie, the engine was running fine, but when you floored it - nada, you would creep along at 50 on the highway very slowly gaining speed but revs were limited. I pulled over and spoke with Jeff. He thought that possibly the ECU was confused by the new airflow and went into "Limp Mode" for protection. I shut down for a minute, started up and tried again. The car was perfect and has remained that way since.

Lesson: The car has a limp mode that the ECU engages to keep the car running but not allow you to rev to much until the possible problem is addressed. In this case, all it needed was a minute to reset/adjust.


The new exhaust.

Exhausts are simply a matter of personal opinion - and I for one am having a tough time determining what's right for me.

The Larini's (X-Pipe and Mufflers) are definitely high quality products that give a great burble and, when combined, an awesome F1 "tuned" sound I did not fully understand this until I heard it personally behind the wheel. Also, I did not here this sound on any of the vids - I believe you can only really appreciate them and hear the F1 high tones in a smooth progression when moving (say 50+) - I loved it all the way home.

My issue, however, and not necessarily someone else's, is that the Larini x-pipe and mufflers may be too loud for me. If I was on the highway all the time they would be fine. But for me, cruising around town, they may be just too loud - I suspect the Tubi's or any other aftermarket would be - except possibly the GS OEM Mufflers. For others they may very well be perfect as they would no doubt be if I was 20 again- but, at this point in my life I actually don't enjoy driving through my local supermarket parking lot and have every single person stop to look. I want to be inconspicuous at times.

So, reluctantly, I restored the center resonator and left the Larini Mufflers. The result is - okay - I definitely have the low end rumble and it is much quieter/livable around town - better than stock but I have lost that F1 cars sound and am not satisfied. So, after a long discussion with Jeff (who has lots of patience), I will put the x-pipe back on Saturday and give them some time to quiet tires down and also work on my driving habits - ie, adjusting rpm's/gears to lower the decibels when I want to (eg. shopping center).

Jeff's view is that the volume will drop 10-20 % in time as they carbon up. Does anyone have any first hand experience ?

Otherwise, Jeff is standup and really aims to help out and provide personalized service rather than simply sell a product. All Aces.
 

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Has anybody from the Southeast ever take the drive to this event?
 

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Has anybody from the Southeast ever take the drive to this event?
Maybe, but somebody from the Middle East has! :D

Sorry Vapple, but I had to :thumbsup:

I would also like to concur with Ramp's post re: Jeff at FD. A true gentleman and business man. Last year the event was rained out and attendance was even poorer, but he made my day by installing the FD DBW and also cleaning up some dodgy wiring done by the previous owner (he really didn't have to do that, but he did!)

Vapple, I sincerely encourage you to go with a friend (my biggest mistake is I went solo) and meet the other forum members. It's cool to put a face to the personalities on here.

Hope you go!
 

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Maybe, but somebody from the Middle East has! :D

Sorry Vapple, but I had to :thumbsup:

I would also like to concur with Ramp's post re: Jeff at FD. A true gentleman and business man. Last year the event was rained out and attendance was even poorer, but he made my day by installing the FD DBW and also cleaning up some dodgy wiring done by the previous owner (he really didn't have to do that, but he did!)

Vapple, I sincerely encourage you to go with a friend (my biggest mistake is I went solo) and meet the other forum members. It's cool to put a face to the personalities on here.

Hope you go!
Please remember this event is an Owners for Owners event, we are not interested in having the general public attending.

The fact that the turn out of modern Maserati owners is far below that of modern Ferrari and Lamborghini owners is something that only the owners of those cars themselves can answer.

The classic and vintage Maserati owners turn out. The modern owners don't turn out in numbers relevant to the number of cars sold. It isn't only for this event, it is something that is prevalent at any event in North America. Concorso Italiano has the same low turnout of modern Maserati owners.

So you tell us why owners of Modern Maseratis don't come out and support their marque. Jeff sells great products for your cars, we've got a track with professional instructors for you to try out those products in a safe manner.

Modern Maserati owners can turn out like their Ferrari and Lamborghini counterparts or just be bench racers. BTW we've got some great things planned again for this year.
 

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Please remember this event is an Owners for Owners event, we are not interested in having the general public attending.

The fact that the turn out of modern Maserati owners is far below that of modern Ferrari and Lamborghini owners is something that only the owners of those cars themselves can answer.

The classic and vintage Maserati owners turn out. The modern owners don't turn out in numbers relevant to the number of cars sold. It isn't only for this event, it is something that is prevalent at any event in North America. Concorso Italiano has the same low turnout of modern Maserati owners.

So you tell us why owners of Modern Maseratis don't come out and support their marque. Jeff sells great products for your cars, we've got a track with professional instructors for you to try out those products in a safe manner.

Modern Maserati owners can turn out like their Ferrari and Lamborghini counterparts or just be bench racers. BTW we've got some great things planned again for this year.
Gents...we should all be ashamed of ourselves! :rolleyes:











 

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OK, looks like I'll have to make plans to go up to the Poconos thus Summer. I'll be driving up from the High Point area in NC if anyone wants to make the road trip. Any suggestions?
 

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OK, looks like I'll have to make plans to go up to the Poconos thus Summer. I'll be driving up from the High Point area in NC if anyone wants to make the road trip. Any suggestions?
Great to hear, hope other owners will join you. Registration is now open.

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I've already got my tix and a room at the Lodge! w00t, slacks and a jacket on vacation? Glad to be going back after two years, it should be a blast. :Tombo:
 

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