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Has anyone upgraded from the FD springs to include the swaybars? I'd like to know the incremental handling improvements that the bars provide over & above just the springs.
 

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Has anyone upgraded from the FD springs to include the swaybars? I'd like to know the incremental handling improvements that the bars provide over & above just the springs.
Vincenzo - I did as did MaseratiGTS I believe.

The difference is significant - not quite as profound as the spring upgrade but pretty close IMO.

The stock handling is bad. The springs alone bring it up to good. The springs plus sway bars bring it up to very good. Maybe not F430 territory but pretty close (other than the cowl shake on the Spyder which is actually aggravated by the upgrades).

If you track the car - the upgrade is a must. No discernable body roll, no more dive/ planing, greatly reduced understeer, and very crisp turn in are the general results. The car is more agile and at the same time far more stable in very high speed corners (120MPH+). I did notice a slightly stiffer ride but it is not a huge difference.

Highly recommended overall.
 

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That looks great George. I went with 15mm spacers all around but I really like the look of your 25's. How much did you lower with the springs and do you think there may be any rubbing issues now in the rear as it looks like the rubber actually extends beyond the outer fender edge?

I am glad you like the sway bar/ spacer combo - I can't imagine driving without it now. I think most of the difference that you feel is from the bars actually as I had my bars installed first with the spacers afterwards. The spacers did make a difference but not nearly as huge as the bars.

Just wait until your try this set up on the track! The difference between the OEM car and a full FD set up (springs/ bars/ spacers) is so profound it is like driving a different car altogether - no more wallow, pitch and roll.
Thanks Flash!

I agree that the car feels different, for the better of course!

I really like the 25mm spacers in the rear. I was thinking I should have done 20mm in the front, but I went with Jeff's suggestion.

Because if I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it right. But I've very happy with the way they look. As far as rubbing issues, I haven't had any. If I'm rubbing, that means I hit a huge pothole, and the rubbing will be the least of my worries!

My car was dropped exactly an inch initially when I just had the springs. But Kent from Universal Autosports raised just the rear by 5mm slightly just to keep the nose at a slight angle for more of a "wedge" effect at speed he explained, as I felt that the front bottom was rising slightly the faster I went.

If I lower it anymore, it will be tough for city driving. I can pretty much still get around no problem as I avoid the potholes and keep my speed down. For highway the ride quality has been great so far. Of course I take it out of sport when hitting a crappy patch of highway.

I can very slightly notice that the rear is higher, it doesn't feel like the front is lower really, which I like. It felt slightly more focused in the front, but I'm not sure if its raising the rear or the sway bars. I guess I will find out with some spirited driving in the near future.

Also when you drop it too much, I think it possibly makes the ride even harsher IMO from my past experiences.

Expecially with the sway bars. I have to say, I can feel the difference from both upgrades separately.

The spacers feel like a wider stance than before I can feel it when I'm straight line driving, more planted for sure, and obviously slightly wider.

And even in the turns slightly, it helps keep the car feeling more planted. I like it very much!

The sway bars I can definitely feel in the twisties and turns because I feel the car lay "flatter" when I maneuver around left and right, more grip.

Instead of leaning towards the "heavy" side at the moment. Because before, when I had swerve at speed, that was the most when I felt that the sides were kind of heavy and starting to float but this improves that a lot, pretty much eliminated that so far. I need to do some more "test" driving.

I don't think the handling was terrible before, it was just more cushy and not as focused. I think more luxury feeling as opposed to sporty. When I put the sport button on before, it would tighten it up some, but wasn't as smooth as I had liked.

With the suspension mods I put in, the springs definitely helped me enjoy the ride quality more, and the spacers and anti sway bars further improved the ride quality for me and made it feel more focused which is what I wanted to acheive. And I think I have accomplished that. My car feels very tight now.

Thank you Jeff, for your formula dynamics products!

I feel very satisfied with my upgrades, and genuinely feel that they improved my car to the way I wanted it to be. :D

And Thanks Kent, for doing a super job on my Maserati!
 

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Thanks Flash....So I think I'm going to add spacers and the swaybars as my spring projects (or perhaps mid-winter blues project ;))
 

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Thanks Flash....So I think I'm going to add spacers and the swaybars as my spring projects (or perhaps mid-winter blues project ;))
Go for it - you won't regret it.

My winter project is chassis stiffening to get rid of the cowl shake. I found a shop locally that has a pretty solid plan for adding Cro Moly frame rail bracing and shock tower struts that I am going to try. They recently did the same work successfully to a BMW Z8.

If that project works, then I will probably go to the Brembo big brake kit from FD and add Sparco Milano Prestige seats with Schroth black magic autocontrol harnesses.

The result: 450HP, custom stiffened chassis with full FD suspension mods, and a track ready seating set up. That should be it (finally).
 

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The result: 450HP, custom stiffened chassis with full FD suspension mods, and a track ready seating set up. That should be it (finally).
I'm still waiting for an affordable supercharger, I think that would just be over the top. Totally unnecessary power, but more power nonetheless... :D
 

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Thanks guys for all the reviews and support.

From my perspective, I can quantify the results of these upgrades as follows:

Spacer Kit: Enhances the look of the car noticably, allows for a wider stance and you notice this in the feeling of the steering ( a bit slower and a bit more steady as you turn the wheel )

Sport Springs: Noticably enhances the handling. i.e. much less dip on the brakes, less lift when you switch to the throttle, far less body roll and of course if you lower the car, it just looks fantastic. You also get a bit of an improvement in the front to rear weight transfer compared to stock. i.e. it helps to neutral the handling so that the front pushes a bit less.

Sway Bars: This really helps to focus the car in the turns and allows you to really pick your line through the turns. No longer do you have to make a correction, wait for the car to settle and adjust again. When you point the car, it just takes the input and immediately changes direction. i.e. body roll is nearly non-existant. The balance in the corners is now focused even better and it's less likely to push the front allowing you to balance the car in the turn based on your input of the throttle.

I would say that in terms of precision and control... the stock suspension is like cutting with a butter knife, adding the sport springs are like cutting with a chef's knife and when you add the sway bars to this, you've got a scalpel.

All this can be had without making the car's handling poor by any means.

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-- Jeff
 

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Jeff, I totally agree-

I had the springs done first, and it felt like the handling DID actually improve by very much. And now with the sway bars, it feels much much better and confidence inspiring overall without much sacrifice in comfort, in my opinion, and I drive in New York City area which has the absolute worst roads in the whole country IMHO. I was kind of concerned that the sway bars would make the ride terrible for street driving, but it was unfounded.

Now, when I say this I am not putting down the stock handling at all guys-

For me, it was a little limp, if not too cushy to say the least. I am an aggressive driver, and I didn't feel as much handling "confidence" as I do now with the sway bars. The flatter driving makes me feel very comfortable.

I am just saying that the springs and sway bars definitely further improved the handling from an already great handling car to make it even more "Sharp" than it was before. I am very very pleased with the results. With the spacers, it was looks wise a huge improvement IMO. Glad I did it.

It might not be life changing for every Maserati owner out there, as I don't know what some people out there expect.

But- for me if I can squeeze every drop of potential out of my car that I already love so much, I will go for it and it will make it that much more satisfying and fulfilling to enjoy my beautiful Maserati.

Thank you again, Jeff for developing such amazing products for our cars!!

I don't know where we would be without you and your extensive product development as we don't really have many options out there for our cars, it makes being a Maserati owner that much better knowing I can achieve my desires to bring out the best possible results.
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Hey all- I drove my car again today.. And man do I love it!

The steering felt much tighter in the turns and even when changing lanes/lines on turns. It just felt more focused. Definitely a big improvement from before. I like the handling even more than I could have thought. I am really happy I did what I did, no regrets only joy. Now, I'm ready to tackle anything.
 

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Island - you really need to get some help . If you get this worked up over someone questioning your car, I would hate to see what happens if someone said your TV has a poor picture!.

Sorry to get you foaming at the mouth some more, but I was actually being charitable comparing my Spyder to my daily driver (the G35) That is car is nothing special whatsoever - it is simply a very ordinary, mid level Japanese sport sedan. I hardly love the thing, or even feel any emotions for it at all, as it simply gets me from Point A to B (by way of example, I feel it is far inferior to a BMW 335). It is nonetheless, my best point of reference, as I have recently owned two of them.(and spent two full days on the track with the current one in May). The fact that the Maser comes up short in two key areas (handling and braking) against this pretty mediocre reference is a real problem in my mind. That is why I am working to simply get the problems fixed (not going in to denial and then ranting about the car having human attributes and ultimately getting even for my disrespect - whoa! - that is pretty weird, man).

On a more serious note, you go on (and on and on) about what a great driver you are, how much track experience you have, and your vast experience with all different kinds of cars - yet you thought your RWD drive Infiniti had FWD - and this after you owned it for a year? Sorry bud - something doesn't add up.

P.S. TravisJ (a very knowledgeable member on this forum) was in the passenger seat with me for a few hot laps on one of the fastest tracks in North America (RCS in Calgary) this summer. If you think that I can't drive, and therefore my views are worthless, why don't you ask his opinion of my driving skills?
Hey Flash,

Name the track and bring your pink slip. The Maser will eat your G35 Sedan alive. Please this is getting to funny. Maybe I should bring my lifted truck on 35's to the track too. Not worth the gas or the price of admission for the truck or a G35 Sedan(Still have the kids seat installed?). I think the wifes Mini could handle the G35. I made typo on the fwd/rwd. Kill me. I hated that piece of crap and only drove it when I had too. Why waste all our time with your BS. You like the G35 better then a Maser. Great go the G35 site and live large. I think we all wanted to make your car better as we thought you had an issue. Turns out it is all BS.

PS. A rag top is never going to handle like a coupe or a sedan for that matter. It is missing a roof to make it stiff! Only exception is the F430.
Get a clue. Cut the roof off and they flex and bend and will not corner.
Who would by a convertible as a track car and bitch that it has body flex.
No S Sherlock.
 

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Hey all- I drove my car again today.. And man do I love it!

The steering felt much tighter in the turns and even when changing lanes/lines on turns. It just felt more focused. Definitely a big improvement from before. I like the handling even more than I could have thought. I am really happy I did what I did, no regrets only joy. Now, I'm ready to tackle anything.
Wow! what a great testament to Jeff's solutions. I've read almost every post on here for the past few months, and I don't think there is a single disappointment with any of his stuff, his service or anything. I am glad to hear how much happier you are considering you were nearly thrilled with the stock handling setup. Jeff's springs for my 2009 QP S (skyhook) show UPS will deliver to me tomorrow. We are shooting for a 1 1/8" drop all around. I didn't want to go too aggressive on the custom looks side, nor compromise the somewhat cushy ride when I want it around. I have discussed at length with Jeff about my concerns with replacement, but based on his expertise and the unreal feedback on him, I feel more than confident. a bit nervous, but something also tells me I'm going to be "shocked" at just how perfect the car becomes. I think sways would be the icing on the cake, but no one seems to make them, Jeff, NotivecTrident, no one.. must be something about a fitment issue?

I'll report back in the next week or two on the results. Hope there as good as yours..
 

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Hey Wassy, I'm sure you will love the springs. The thing is, our cars are very capable of being sporty, but aren't set up that way from the factory. They are made more for luxury (expecially the QP), as the Sport GTS has a single rate damper spring system. You wont need the sway bars for your QP, I'm sure the springs will be great. Let us know how it comes out!!!
 

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Navin Johnson knows something you don't

Hey Flash,

Name the track and bring your pink slip. The Maser will eat your G35 Sedan alive. Please this is getting to funny. Maybe I should bring my lifted truck on 35's to the track too. Not worth the gas or the price of admission for the truck or a G35 Sedan(Still have the kids seat installed?). I think the wifes Mini could handle the G35. I made typo on the fwd/rwd. Kill me. I hated that piece of crap and only drove it when I had too. Why waste all our time with your BS. You like the G35 better then a Maser. Great go the G35 site and live large. I think we all wanted to make your car better as we thought you had an issue. Turns out it is all BS.

PS. A rag top is never going to handle like a coupe or a sedan for that matter. It is missing a roof to make it stiff! Only exception is the F430.
Get a clue. Cut the roof off and they flex and bend and will not corner.
Who would by a convertible as a track car and bitch that it has body flex.
No S Sherlock.
Tom - I think you should watch this short video a few times - it may help improve the quality of your posts but only if you pay close attention.

After you master the lesson, please feel free to post again.

Cheers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsyS0oHLNFA
 

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LOL, Now thats funny.
 
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