Seeing $70-80k off new vehicles. Obviously these are with bloated builds. Winter should bring more discounts, albeit at a loss of drive time in some regions. I believe there will be a few new/untitled 2023 cars available into the new year. Maserati should start an incentive program for all new unsold cars to include 3 yrs of maintenance, like Macs. That should move quite a few units.

 

Experiencing the dreaded Masi depreciation at present so once bitten twice shy.........sad that the company has done such an abyssmal job with such wonderful vehicles. Their economists get an F.

 

If service and maintenance at dealerships was more affordable , they would all be more desirable and hold their values. Seems no one wants an out of warranty Maserati, not even the dealerships. Quite sad for the brand.

 

Guys there tons of brands that suffer from bad depreciation ... apparently the Porsche Taycan is a disaster, McLaren's? I heard Aston Martin isn't so good either.
Vehicles are simply not an investment ... and high cost vehicles are REALLY not a good investment ... 20% of a lot is A LOT.

 

True. But the $80k Grecale and the $150k GT are not in the same category as $300k Macs, AM or $200k ev. The classifieds are littered with Grecales and GTs. The maintenance of these $100k cars approaches the $300k cars. It should be closer to MB, BMW, Audi…

 

An 8yr old car that has lost 70-75% of its value with ONLY 18k miles is tragic.
I have a 13yr old Lotus worth ~50% still of its original sticker. Within 15k of what I paid for it......If I was ready to cut her loose, she is my track car and dialed in REAy well! I was always a fan of 5yr 50% as my benchmark. Hell I bought it for 46% off so not getting completely raped but I thought I had a real special build...doesn't matter apparently

 

My uncle passed away last year, has a BMW 850 Li, with 6000 km on it. It's 12 years old ... the most we will get for it is $12,000 (if we are lucky).
This is not just a maserati thing.

 

I hear ya......that is crazy!! That actually made me feel better in a strange way because that was a $150 vehicle too right? YIKES!!!

 

Correct ... $150k ... 6,000 km ... original tires have basically 95% tread left, still smells like new leather inside ... he took incredible car of it (humidity controlled environment) ... the paint is incredible ... it's basically brand new .... can't get more than $12k for it.

The market simply doesn't care ... same with Fords, Audi's, Mercs ... oh Mercs! I have another good one for you.

Another uncle wanted to trade in his 2015 Merc S550. 20,000 km on it. They wouldn't give him more than $15,000. LOL.
So, he gave it to my dad (offered it for free, but my dad insisted on giving him the $15k at least).

This is NOT a Maserati issue. It's an old car issue. It's also an issue that everything is treated as an average ... the average 10 to 15 year old car is trashed ... high km, etc ... and the wholesellers don't care if it's low km and in good shape ... you get hardly nothing, because they simply don't want the hastle to try and sell a car for a higher price when the inventory is so high. Some even get worried, why low kms ... is there a problem??? They want it turned over fast ... and that means sub-$20k prices ... to access a huge market. And then someone wins the loterry once in a while with a low-km used car in good condition.

 

This is why I drive the S#*T outta my cars and then give them to my lil brother.

 

I am expereincing this more now than in the past because I used to have ~4 cars and every year or 2 would trade one in and find sweet deals ... 46% on a few of them. (GTS and my COVID Evora steal) Now with 6 cars, I am hanging on to my flock and from a financial perspective am in the timado zone or downsize and revert back to my old ways. Some would say lose on the front end but enjoy newer, v lose on the back end and enjoy the keepers.......1st world problems

 

A lot of this, just my opinion of course, is because people are afraid to work on cars today. I work as an engineer (granted software but still) and I've had younger co-workers asking me in detail how to do things like change a car battery, a bicycle tire or maintain a motorcycle chain, as if it were horribly complicated. The generations of guys that learned the basics by working on junk are dying off and leaving people that don't know how to do anything other than drive the car to the dealer, and in the case of a used BMW/Maserati etc. that's not a pretty bill. (In fairness some US brands aren't much better).

Obviously some things require a good shop with an experienced mechanic, but I at least take a crack at everything first. I never would have bought one of these cars if I thought I would be paying full retail every time something went wrong. But I think that's what is driving the depreciation.

 

There's a few reasons why this happens. I'd say mostly, the average person actually doesn't take care of their cars ... poor maintenance, high kms ... there's simply too much risk you are picking up a problematic vehicle. So the guy that actually does have a gem of a car, low kms, great service record ... gets burned. The whole-sellers don't care! They hear it from everyone ... oh, it's in great condition, then they see the car, and it's a piece of crap. They don't believe anything anyone says. And because the whole-sellers control the inventory and price, even if you sell privately, you have to compete with their prices ... so, as timado404 says ... just drive the car and enjoy, it's not an investment, you're burning money.

 

"it's not an investment, you're burning money. " That is so true. If you can afford new and that's what you want then why care about depreciation. Just enjoy the dang car.

 

I cannot believe the prices of the MC20 and its our fault for letting them go for such low money. If we truly enjoy the car and appreciate it we shouldnt let go for such low money. Its a fantastic car and has everything to be a future classic (currently undervalued, beuatiful to look at, somewhat limited numbers). Keep the cars, leave the overall for sale inventory low and people will start to appreciate how great of a machine this is. Don't let people tell you "oh its a Maserati, its too expensive". Its a full blown supercar, built in Italy with great performance and in my opinion the most beautiful car built to date.

 

You seem to coming from a salesperson perspective. You didn’t “let it go for such low money”. People are paying what is believed to be fair market value, which would mean they were priced too high. Ultimately, the “Mas reliability“ , maintenance costs and history of steep depreciation has resulted in what is believed to be the current “fair market value”. I believe the depreciation trends of the MC20 will mirror the sport series McLarens, mainly due the atypical doors and repair costs.
Currently the MC20 appears to be depreciating @ 20% year 1 and 30% year 2. Obviously the ones with $100k + in options will see the higher end of the scale.

 

The true difference between a $100K car and a $200K car mechanically is not $100K... much of it is "potential" profit margin for the brand. No doubt there are higher end components, CF tubs v bonded Aluminum v traditional steel. A brand needs to earn that ability over a long period of time typically. Porsche has done this a miraculously escaped the black eye of IMS which was HUGE when it happened. The opposite takes twice as long to escape. Perceived demand keeps prices of some brands higher....does not always mean they are better.
I have made a vehicular life of buying better vehicles without the fashionista monikor.
My Alfas are better cars than BMWs. Again, they have taken ultimate from the germans. Stelvios are amazing vehicles esp the Quads.
My Lotus are better cars than Porsche. More joy and more tactile...isn't that what you want in a sports car?
MC20 is an awesome vehicle. It is too big and heavy for its intended purpose IMHO. At 3500lbs.......wow! Time will tell. I may revisit it...............for now I will be happy with what is in my hands, a very reliable, joyful, trackworthy car like an Emira that doesn't empty your wallet to have fun. Sure 620HP is faster, but that extra weight IMHO takes away some of the fun. The higher up the performance ladder you go esp in racing, the lighter the the vehicle.

 

I have a very light TTRS Stage 2, 600 hp ... the MC20 is just as thrilling (if not more thrilling) of a ride. I don't think the weight concern holds.

 

You have apparently not enjoyed a light car on track. Take your 3330 lb TTRS which by today's standards is pretty light and drop a thousand pounds off it. We always say 100 lbs equal 10 hp, so take 100HP off it. It will be a completely different car. Profoundly more fun, frankly probably scary fun with those numbers. Think NASCAR v Indycar for example. A 500HP 2300 lb car will be a stunning car like a Noble..............First thing I'd jestison off your car is the AWD system...........probably 400-500lbs right there. Now you have a sports car. You are only talking 300-500 lbs with roughly equivalent hp. Brute acceleration seems to be your bogey. I am talking about everything else like braking, cornering and esp transient responses.
MC20 is probably more thrilling because it is RWD.

 

I appreciate your response ... and of course less weight is going to be fun. But I wouldn't knock the TTRS, it's not just about straight line speed.
On the track, I have raced against 458 and 488 Ferraris, BMWs, Corvettes C7 and C8, Porsche 911, and even Acura NSX GT3. Pretty much
the Acura NSX GT3 is the only vehicle that performed better than the Audi TTRS Stage 2. Mostly I'm catching up to everyone in the corners ... it's handling
is pretty impressive. I have improved/modified the braking system, and also the suspension to correct it's under-steer. It's made a nice difference.

The RWD of the MC20 for sure makes it thrilling, but it accelerates freightingly fast, and it's steering response is incredible.

 

I wonder how many people on this forum actually own an MC20, have driven one, or even seen one in person. If you've driven one, then you know the performance is outstanding. If you've actually even seen one IN PERSON, then you know the car is absolutely stunning and unique.
As far as reliability, are there any owners who've experienced reliability issues??, if so please share.
As far as expensive maintenance, as I've posted on another thread, $1000 for an oil and filter change and transmission service (from two separate Maserati dealers), is not out of line with any other performance car in the MC20's league. Where someone is coming up with $3000 for an oil change is beyond me.
The resale right now is a head scratcher, but selling one for a $100K loss is IMO is downright foolish.
It seems like people who own one, love them. and people who don't, love to hate on them.

 

100% agreed. There is SOOOOOOOO much misinformation out there, from people that don't know cr@p about the car.
It is an absolute pleasure to drive this car ... and I have raced, owned and driven in several cars ... Ferrari Scuderia, Porsche, Lambo, TTRS, Merc, BMW, Jag, etc.
Yes, I've had some wonderful experiences in other cars (loved the sound of the Scuderia) ... but this MC20 is 100% the best one I've driven in for a few reasons that
edge it ... it's a super car, it is fast, it handles superbly, but it is comfortable too! I have driven it for 3 to 4 hours in one day ... and no back issues, it was 100% comfortable.

Also, it looks stunning ... I've parked it next to a Ferrari, and NO ONE took a single photo of the Ferrari, but they took photos in droves of my MC20. It simply is next level in looks.

Those "deals" that are $100k off ... it's not normal, it's not the average condition ... it is a distressed sale, or the car has been messed up (accident, recklessness, abuse) ... it is not
representative of the average owner. The average owner (1000's of them) are keeping this car in their collection, period! So give it a few years, and once all the nonsense is off the market, let's see what happens to the value of this car!

 

"Also, it looks stunning ... I've parked it next to a Ferrari, and NO ONE took a single photo of the Ferrari, but they took photos in droves of my MC20. It simply is next level in looks."

Same experience here. I took the car to a small show in the Adirondack Mountains of NY. My MC20 had a 430 on one side and a 296 on the other. The Ferrari's got ZERO interest while my MC20 was constantly surrounded by onlookers asking questions and taking pictures. The car is unique and unmistakable, and will never be confused with a Lambo, Mclaren, Ferrari or C8.

 

I drive my 2014 MC 20 often. It's the most obnoxious car I've ever owned, and I love it. But the cost of maintenance is expensive.

 

2014 MC20?

 

Quite a few end of year deals on 2023 MC20 models out there.

 

36 MC20's for sale in the whole of Canada.
Cheapest one is CAD 250k. That car is pretty well packages, Carbon Ceramic Brakes, Sonus Faber Sound, Interior CF ... so probably a CAD 310k vehicle + taxes when brand new.
On the road ... probably CAD 390k after Trudeau's 10% luxury tax is applied. The used car will be around CAD 285k after licensing, fees and taxes.

Here is the car:
2023 Maserati MC20 Coupe | NO LUXURY TAX - Oakville

Approximately 73% of the original all-in cost ... and car is about 2 years old. That is 15% per year (compounded) depreciation. That is not bad. Not when you compare to McLaren or Aston Martin.
And that is based on the cheapest car out there! Just for comparison, the average 2022 MC20 up for resale in Canada is CAD 275k, so that 2023, if it truly has no accidents or issues, is an absolute steal! The average 2022 is around 80% of brand new ... 20% depreciation. Over 3 years, that works out to more like 7% per year depreciation, which is ridiculously good!

OK, these are list numbers and not the actual sale values ... but I don't see the prices moving that much, at least not in the past 4 months ... so you have to think people are holding out for a decent offer, closer to what they have listed for.

 

Spoke to a dealer yesterday. apparently, Maserati is not accepting any orders for 2025 MC20s, aside for the special new ”track” variant. The new track version is very limited. The configurator is open though.

 

did they say why? Are they ending the line completely or taking a "pause"

 

Well, I negotiated a 30% off for a new 2023 Cielo. I saw it and test drove it. The deal involved a trade with a great trade in value for my Spyder. Then, I realized I cannot part with my 718 Spyder manual. It is so engaging due to its manual transmission and naturally aspirated flat 6, with just enough power.
Therefore, I cannot go through with the purchase. I have neither the means nor garage space for 2 sports cars. There was another special perk with the deal. If I could manage both, I certainly would have. The MC20 is sure to be a classic in the future.

 

Well, I negotiated a 30% off for a new 2023 Cielo. I saw it and test drove it. The deal involved a trade with a great trade in value for my Spyder. Then, I realized I cannot part with my 718 Spyder manual. It is so engaging due to its manual transmission and naturally aspirated flat 6, with just enough power.
Therefore, I cannot go through with the purchase. I have neither the means nor garage space for 2 sports cars. There was another special perk with the deal. If I could manage both, I certainly would have. The MC20 is sure to be a classic in the future.

A few months ago I sold my manual 718 Spyder and bought my Cielo, which is the first dual-clutch I have ever owned. I was not sure it would satisfy me but it has and I always drive it in manual mode - happy with the decision.

 

Where are all the mc20 folks?

 

I am almost 1 year into my MC20 purchase and I have 1100 miles on it and it is a fantastic performance car,I searched for months and found a new one with a MSRP of 305 K and paid 60% of that.I just purchased a 2024 McLaren 750S coupe yesterday that is also highly optioned with a MSRP of 452 K and paid 76% of sticker for it so MC20 are not the only deprecating brand.The previous owner purchased the 750 new in March and traded in September for a SF90 and it has 497 miles on it now so the cost of ownership for 6 months was 105K,and the SF90 might be the worst deprecating car Ferrari has produced.I will keep my MC20 at least till the warranty expires which is another 2 years.

 

Did you get 40% off a “new” 2023 (delivery miles) with full 4 yr warranty?
If yes , which state?

 

I have just bought a £250,000 MSRP Cielo 24 registration with 170 miles on it for £150,000 so UK prices on MC20 are also low but 750s prices still seem to be staying firm at around the £250,000 with none selling mark as Mclaren still won't let main dealers sell or lower advertised prices below a certain point and are keeping them artificially high. I'll be keeping my Cielo for a few years too

 

You guys who are getting these incredible deals off MSRP - are they listed at prices near what you paid, or do you have to go make a "lowball" offer and hope for the best?

 

A lowball offer vs a good deal is very different. The first is a waste of everyone's time. The latter takes time to find and negotiate; you must be ready to pull the trigger.

Also, for anyone who's looking for a coupe, deals are harder to come. Rumor is that coupe production has stopped in March of 2024. If you are anywhere near 60%-70% of MSRP, grab it. Price has stabilized in the secondary market and even a slight uptick. Cielo still has a little more depreciation to go.

 

In my case I had discussed the purchase with a salesman and he had my email and they lowered the price and he texted me and emailed me and I called and made a lower offer and and then we negotiated the price.Do not accept the advertised price.

 

Sorry I shouldn't have used the word "lowball", the question I hoped to convey is, are there 30-40% off MSRP prices listed anywhere publically? Like on Cars.com or Autotrader etc? Or are listed prices all near MSRP and it's up to you to suss out the ones where a big reduction is possible?

If the former, I'd sure get looking. If the latter, I don't have it in me to go do that battle.