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Evira is claiming a 10 minute full recharge!!! 10 minute recharge and a 400 mile range at 80mph are my criteria. My vacation home is 373 miles away and I have done it non-stop for years.
No more germans for me.
I'm good with the gun thing as it is OUT OF CONTROL. We made the mistake of EVER letting a (AR) human killer be available to the public with out SPECIAL qualifications way too many years ago and it is destroying our country. BTW lifer Republican that knows its time to admit we screwed up here.
 

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It's a safe bet to say that whoever gets elected to the WH next year will have HUGE ramifications on the auto industry, let alone the American economy in general.

If a democrat gets to the WH, you can bet the extinction of the combustion engine will be turbocharged. In fact many parts of Europe are already doing that. Finland, for example, has just as many electric cars on its roads today as gas-driven cars. The biggest player of all, China, is massively transforming its auto industry to go full electric in the coming years.
 

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Agreed, they need to address the needs of us long distance travelers. BBeing a Lotus guy "add lightness", my biggest issue with any hybrid powertrain I have experienced is their extra bulk. Sucks the joy out of the drive. I bought the GTS knowing it really was going to be the end of an era type vehicle.
 

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I’ve driven a Tesla S P100D , and took off in ludicrous mode ! Sure, it has phenomenal acceleration ..but the car lacks any soul, any character ! It’s still a boring computer lounge on four wheels which sounds as if a sewing machine mated with a golf cart and gave birth to the Tesla . Ok, a very, very fast golf cart , lol. But I can’t stand driving that thing even for five minutes, much less for hours .. Performance is absolutely meanIngless ( to me ) without all of the visceral enjoyment which gasoline power cars give you. Maybe if I drove a Porsche 918 which is a hybrid ( and whose looks I love ) I might be able to tolerate that ..just maybe. But no point driving one , since I can’t afford to buy it .
 

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When a next gen battery pack weighs no more than the IC lump under the hood, recharges in 10 minutes max, and drives like todays's finest...then I will call it progress. Currently, it is just new underdeveloped tech. Pretty embarrassing in Formula E when they have to trade cars mid race...at least make it a battery pack swap
 

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On a related note, there is legislation on the table in almost every state to charge ( no pun intended ;) ) EV cars owners fees which are much higher than what gasoline cars owners pay on average for road use and infrastructure improvement taxes as part of the per gallon surcharges at the pump. Michigan proposed a flat $ 1,000 annual fee and after outrage ensued, they rolled it back to $ 250. Other states , from what I read , seek even higher fees . The fight is just beginning. In the long run I think the E car industry will win the fight , it’s really unavoidable progress, no matter how many of us will be dragged into it kicking and screaming. But never underestimate the massive power and leverage of the oil industry, this will be a very long and bloody fight .
 

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there is a reason so many super and hyper cars are running hybrid powertrains. it works. who wants to scoff at instant torque?
the issue with electric cars is the battery capacity, which there hasn't been the necessary leaps and bounds of innovation due to the lack of main stream use of such vehicles. although a nissan leaf if very attainable, not many do; likely for the very reasons mentioned here about long range travelers. innovation is what musk is trying to do, on many more levels than just the car itself.
there is always renting a car for long trips, which i personally prefer due to the ease of dealing with any car troubles along the way.

guns, red meat, combustion, plastics, and pollution... your tinfoil hat is crooked. we're not in 1970 anymore. it is time to grow up at some point. when did it become cool to try to accelerate your own demise? your kids demise? your grand kids?
 

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On a related note, there is legislation on the table in almost every state to charge ( no pun intended ;) ) EV cars owners fees which are much higher than what gasoline cars owners pay on average for road use and infrastructure improvement taxes as part of the per gallon surcharges at the pump. Michigan proposed a flat $ 1,000 annual fee and after outrage ensued, they rolled it back to $ 250. Other states , from what I read , seek even higher fees . The fight is just beginning. In the long run I think the E car industry will win the fight , it’s really unavoidable progress, no matter how many of us will be dragged into it kicking and screaming. But never underestimate the massive power and leverage of the oil industry, this will be a very long and bloody fight .
Illinois proposed something very similar. Governments don't like not being able to extract revenue from you at the gas pump.
 

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there is a reason so many super and hyper cars are running hybrid powertrains. it works. who wants to scoff at instant torque?
the issue with electric cars is the battery capacity, which there hasn't been the necessary leaps and bounds of innovation due to the lack of main stream use of such vehicles. although a nissan leaf if very attainable, not many do; likely for the very reasons mentioned here about long range travelers. innovation is what musk is trying to do, on many more levels than just the car itself.
there is always renting a car for long trips, which i personally prefer due to the ease of dealing with any car troubles along the way.

guns, red meat, combustion, plastics, and pollution... your tinfoil hat is crooked. we're not in 1970 anymore. it is time to grow up at some point. when did it become cool to try to accelerate your own demise? your kids demise? your grand kids?
Says the guy with the thirsty Maserati.....
 

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I have a Porsche Taycan (to use as my new daily) on order and can't wait 'til its arrival. It supposedly did the Nürburgring as fast as the 911 GT3 which is unbelievable. I think a lot of enthusiasts can't face the fact that electric cars offer better performance per dollar than any car with a combustion engine. I also think a lot haters who use the "appliance" argument have never even driven a performance electric car (Tesla Model S P100D for example). Now don't get me wrong, I love a loud exhaust just as much as next guy (which is why I had the Larini sport cats installed on my GT). However, you can't escape the future and once people get accustomed to driving the new wave of electric cars, they will slowly come around.

You combustion engine lovers better pray Trump gets re-elected in 2020, because if a democrat gets to the WH, say hello to the Green New Deal! (and good-bye to fossil fuels, guns, red meat, plastic straws, etc, etc). Lol.

I still wouldnt want trump re-elected... that loser needs to be in jail

Performance electric cars dont perform well if battery is not fully charged, plus how long a car takes to charge compared to stopping at a gas station? These things matter if u want to use an electric car as a daily commute..
 

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So far, no one on the D side of the aisle has separated themselves from the rest of the vitriole. The forerunners are too old, far too radical, that fruitcake from Mass is a nightmare.......the one from Cali thinks she is Robinhood, the Korean businessman actually has a brain.....novel viewpoints are needed. The last election ran ran a crook against a wildcard. Term limits are needed so badly.....The whole left v right concept is in meltdown. Both sides are equally guilty.
Meanwhile the world will not end after 2020. We are, indeed, in transition with automotive powerplants. All I know is I am glad I own such a future classic regardless of its financial collectibilty. Pinninfarina just knows how to make things you want to stare at endlessly and timelessly!!!
Sound is part of the sporting automotive experience for the foreseeable future. Efficiency will reign supreme for the rest of it. I would love to never have to take a car to a gas station again unless I am traveling A vehicle in motion pushes thru the wind. Wind turbines do work.....see where this is going? When we learn how to harness that energy, we can recharge on the fly!!!
 

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Folks, this is not a political forum. There are plenty of areas for that discussion. Please bring this back on topic, or close it off.

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Folks, this is not a political forum. There are plenty of areas for that discussion. Please bring this back on topic, or close it off.
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Thanks for controlling this , too many other car forums have ended up going off topic on technical threads into into a cluster***k of political debates .. you end up going 5 pages back to see anything related to the original topic on any given thread .
 

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i thought it was all car related, especially since maserati has mulled over the idea of going towards electric/hybrid drivetrains. the relation of that occuring to political climate is clear, as the WHEN of these kinds of moves by car companies will be heavily dictated by both political climate as well as societal expectations/demands.

whatever maserati does, i sure hope it is a blast to drive as well as being able to cross into 30mpg. well maybe even 20mpg, enough to get out of the teens.

a mid engine rear drive supercar should be on the to do list, if not for sales, then at least to rekindle the brand notoriety. with the granturismo FINALLY being axed (i would have prefered the typical car cycle redesign, 6 year type cycles), there needs to be forward movement. a car company ought to hang with the times, if not trying to be on the tip of the spear of progress and the future. the alfieri being f-type in size and scope, would have been a fantastic lateral move if it incorporated the 3.0v6, but definitely forward progress if it incorprated some kind of hybrid electric powertrain.

if maserati stays on it's current path, it'll be heading for the hills out of the states again. the levante did modestly well in drawing new customers, but more needs done.
 

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True, but on the other side of the coin I think in the current political climate the mere mention of a name or party can easily take the conversation on a tangent discussion and then it' usually though to get back to the actual spirit of the topic itself. Fortunately I think most ( if not all..) the members of this forum are very civilized folks and we'd probably never devolve to long drawn out political bickering, right ? 😇 But just in case.. :sneaky:

i thought it was all car related, especially since maserati has mulled over the idea of going towards electric/hybrid drivetrains. the relation of that occuring to political climate is clear, as the WHEN of these kinds of moves by car companies will be heavily dictated by both political climate as well as societal expectations/demands.

whatever maserati does, i sure hope it is a blast to drive as well as being able to cross into 30mpg. well maybe even 20mpg, enough to get out of the teens.

a mid engine rear drive supercar should be on the to do list, if not for sales, then at least to rekindle the brand notoriety. with the granturismo FINALLY being axed (i would have prefered the typical car cycle redesign, 6 year type cycles), there needs to be forward movement. a car company ought to hang with the times, if not trying to be on the tip of the spear of progress and the future. the alfieri being f-type in size and scope, would have been a fantastic lateral move if it incorporated the 3.0v6, but definitely forward progress if it incorprated some kind of hybrid electric powertrain.

if maserati stays on it's current path, it'll be heading for the hills out of the states again. the levante did modestly well in drawing new customers, but more needs done.
 

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I was, indeed, being very civilized and this discussion fit in directly with the statements. Cuse my use of the "d" word. Frankly thay are all A$$holes at present. There! Complete neutrality!!! and 100% factual.
 

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So whatever they end up producing , will the Maserati’s competition be the new McLaren GT ? :unsure: A $ 210 K super car McLaren labels as a “ touring “ automobile but it still has just 2 seats , with an extra storage space for a couple of overnight bags..situated right on top of a very hot engine, so as long as your luggage is not made of flammable materials you’ll be fine . I was always under the impression a GT has at least a 2 + 2 seat set up, even if the back seats are tiny and can only fit a toddler . But two seats ?! That’s a sports car , not a GT , no matter how big the hatchback may be . Maybe the McLaren will be an Alfieri competitor but I just don’t see it in the Sam Maserati GT class / category .
Of course pefformamce wise unless Maserati drops and 800 hp engine on it , OR, makes the car about 1,000 lbs lighter , it’s no way near in the same performance league as the MCLaren GT. I believe that things is 620 hp/ 480 ft-lbs torque and it weighs a mere 3,600 lbs. Oof !
 

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I was, indeed, being very civilized and this discussion fit in directly with the statements. Cuse my use of the "d" word. Frankly thay are all A$$holes at present. There! Complete neutrality!!! and 100% factual.
I am impressed most of the Members respect the Moderator's directive. Thank you.
 

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We try not to be heavy handed. The word is moderate, not dictate ;)

My fear was that politics seems so polarising these days that a few misinterpreted words can escalate very quickly indeed, hence my ask.

I'm always happy to take feedback on what we do (and do not) do, though.

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