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Why is it we dont hear the current Maserati owners say this?

What is up with the vendetta towrd an auto box with "tiptronic" paddles?

Not trying to be a smart ass, just wondering...

-No "lag" off the line (no clutch)
-No 3k clutch replacements
-No f1 pump failure

???
 

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Why is it we dont hear the current Maserati owners say this?

What is up with the vendetta towrd an auto box with "tiptronic" paddles?

Not trying to be a smart ass, just wondering...

-No "lag" off the line (no clutch)
-No 3k clutch replacements
-No f1 pump failure

???
- One torque converter

that's all it takes to keep someone away from a "slush-box".
 

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It represents the difference between being a driver and a passenger.
 

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Exactly!
when you have an auto gearbox car decides when to shift up or down and even in sport or manual simulation mode cannot keep the selected gear in the red rev's area.
Imagine being in the apex of a corner lift up a bit your foot from the throttle to place the car, and gearbox upshifts without your will to do so.
IMO i prefer total control of such a car. Even my Porsche Cayman S is manual.
On the other side, i couldn't even imagine a Merc or AUDI with manual, even they had 1000BHPs under the hood.
 

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Exactly!
when you have an auto gearbox car decides when to shift up or down and even in sport or manual simulation mode cannot keep the selected gear in the red rev's area.
Imagine being in the apex of a corner lift up a bit your foot from the throttle to place the car, and gearbox upshifts without your will to do so.
IMO i prefer total control of such a car. Even my Porsche Cayman S is manual.
On the other side, i couldn't even imagine a Merc or AUDI with manual, even they had 1000BHPs under the hood.
While I agree entirely with your statement about automatics, I don't know why you single out Mercedes and Audi; there are plenty of both makes available with manual transmissions.
 

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Why is it we dont hear the current Maserati owners say this?

What is up with the vendetta towrd an auto box with "tiptronic" paddles?

Not trying to be a smart ass, just wondering...

-No "lag" off the line (no clutch)
-No 3k clutch replacements
-No f1 pump failure

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:confused: What r u talking about?

I don't experience lag of the line
I don't experience 3k clutch replacement
I didn't have an f1 pump failure, yet.

I have 18000 miles on my 05 QP and am nothing but happy and excited with it. Never stranded me, never had an unscheduled shop visit. Ok, first service station I had the car with, IMHO, tried to rip me off, badly and changed the clutch at 12000 miles, now with different dealer, after 18000 miles, just got it back from service, only 8 % clutch wear, 92 % left.

If you are having a bad experience - I am sorry - but is certainly not indicative of the QP at large.

Agree with all other posts - Sports Car, even QP, with Automatic - probably when I am 95 yo. :D
 

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While I agree entirely with your statement about automatics, I don't know why you single out Mercedes and Audi; there are plenty of both makes available with manual transmissions.
Hello....
Look, i do own a Merc SLK200k manual.
NIGHTMARE!!!!!
As soon as i cruise relaxing with the roof open, the manual trans does it's job fairly.
As soon as i decide to go any faster than the speed of a snail and shifting becomes faster and more vulgar, gears do not come together with my wills.
Cayman's Manual trans though, EPIC!
Conclusion? yes there are manual Mercs and Audis but you better stick with the autos.
Compare 7GTronic and DSG with the manual trans of these brands is like comparing day and night. (or anything else you might like)
 

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Automatics "aint what they used to be"...

I too consider myself one of the more hard-core automotive enthusiasts, and share the prejudice against automatics in all but luxury-oriented cars. However, we must recognize that automatic transmission technology has come a long way. Get this: The automatic-equipped Porsche Turbo is quicker to 60 mph than the manual-equipped car! I think that's a first, but it's a sign that these six and seven speed slushboxes with lightning-fast gear-changes and optional manual actuation are now at least a viable alternative. Car and Driver, a magazine known as the enthusiasts' magazine, and surely a group with more sporting preferences, reviewed the QP automatic and said something to the effect that it should have had that transmission all along.

Without getting too serious, I think those of us who enjoy the CambioCorsa technology are kidding ourselves in thinking that the gap between the most sporting automatic transmission and our set up is that large. Its certainly shrinking. Thus, the Quattroporte, a large five-passenger car designed to be a sporting sedan, all things being equal, is probably better off with the automatic (assuming it can be manually actuated). Just my two cents.
 

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I too consider myself one of the more hard-core automotive enthusiasts, and share the prejudice against automatics in all but luxury-oriented cars. However, we must recognize that automatic transmission technology has come a long way. Get this: The automatic-equipped Porsche Turbo is quicker to 60 mph than the manual-equipped car! I think that's a first, but it's a sign that these six and seven speed slushboxes with lightning-fast gear-changes and optional manual actuation are now at least a viable alternative. Car and Driver, a magazine known as the enthusiasts' magazine, and surely a group with more sporting preferences, reviewed the QP automatic and said something to the effect that it should have had that transmission all along.

Without getting too serious, I think those of us who enjoy the CambioCorsa technology are kidding ourselves in thinking that the gap between the most sporting automatic transmission and our set up is that large. Its certainly shrinking. Thus, the Quattroporte, a large five-passenger car designed to be a sporting sedan, all things being equal, is probably better off with the automatic (assuming it can be manually actuated). Just my two cents.
Thats what I meant... but onearm is in a cast :p
 

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I've been driving my GS spyder CC in daily commute traffic for about 6 months. It works fine, although clearly a little out of its element in stop-and-go compared to an automatic or even a manual.

Just drove my boss' new AM V8 roadster with the newest Graziano (same as Maserati CC) gearbox. The behavior off the line is much improved over the Maser, more or less like you would achieve with a manual transmission (traffic light starts can be done at 1000rpm rather than 1200-1500 rpm slippage). Also, it doesn't boop-whoom-lurch through each gear 5-4-3-2-1 as you decelerate to a stop from 50mph.

The body is of course much stiffer than my GS Spyder, no shake at all. But it is not as involving to drive.
 

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I too consider myself one of the more hard-core automotive enthusiasts, and share the prejudice against automatics in all but luxury-oriented cars. However, we must recognize that automatic transmission technology has come a long way. Get this: The automatic-equipped Porsche Turbo is quicker to 60 mph than the manual-equipped car! I think that's a first, but it's a sign that these six and seven speed slushboxes with lightning-fast gear-changes and optional manual actuation are now at least a viable alternative. Car and Driver, a magazine known as the enthusiasts' magazine, and surely a group with more sporting preferences, reviewed the QP automatic and said something to the effect that it should have had that transmission all along.

Without getting too serious, I think those of us who enjoy the CambioCorsa technology are kidding ourselves in thinking that the gap between the most sporting automatic transmission and our set up is that large. Its certainly shrinking. Thus, the Quattroporte, a large five-passenger car designed to be a sporting sedan, all things being equal, is probably better off with the automatic (assuming it can be manually actuated). Just my two cents.

I would agree with that statement up to a point. If you see the Quattroporte for what it is, I don't agree with the auto gearbox, as I think Maserati intended the QP to be a different sport sedan than a BMW, Merc, Audi, or Jag for that matter. It intended the QP to be a drivers car, not a luxe sedan, which can, once in while, be hustled and the driver can be tricked into thinking he controls the gearbox flapping some paddles, or jercking the gear selector. If you drive a QP to substitute for any sport luxe sedan and only have chosen the QP because of styling, maybe even engine or set up, or just to stand out of the crowed I agree with the QP having a automatic transmission, as you have clearly chosen the Maserati more for vanity than enthusiasm. (No pun intended, just substitute "you" for "one")

I agree that the auto trannys did come a long way and that they do a better job than a large percentage of drivers out there would with a manual. Especially in the good olde US of A. However, for us "enthusiasts" the DuoSelect is the choice to go with, as it truly does what a transmission is supposed to do - SHIFT - not THINK and DECIDE for the driver. For the unfortunate event your cell phone rings while driving - there is always the silver button in the top left corner!

The only reason that Maserati chose to have an auto tranny offered for the QP is to increase sales and to appeal to a broader customer base. The car is better with the DS. At least in my opinion.

Whatever Maserati you choose, as long as you choose it for the right reason and are aware of what you get yourself into with owning a Maserati - you will be happy and never regret your choice!
 

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I've been driving my GS spyder CC in daily commute traffic for about 6 months. It works fine, although clearly a little out of its element in stop-and-go compared to an automatic or even a manual.

Just drove my boss' new AM V8 roadster with the newest Graziano (same as Maserati CC) gearbox. The behavior off the line is much improved over the Maser, more or less like you would achieve with a manual transmission (traffic light starts can be done at 1000rpm rather than 1200-1500 rpm slippage). Also, it doesn't boop-whoom-lurch through each gear 5-4-3-2-1 as you decelerate to a stop from 50mph.

The body is of course much stiffer than my GS Spyder, no shake at all. But it is not as involving to drive.
i was very interested in the AM V8 Roadster, but my choice of box would be manual for the car. it is good to hear that it seems to be more behaved, not that there is really anything annoying with the CC. no shake is very good. i thought the vantage was stiff compare to the GS. nice.
 

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the auto is for the wife. but if you really want a true sports car the manual is the only way to go. almost as much fun a sex.
 

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I drove both gearboxes in a variety of traffic back-to-back before making my decision, and...

My 07 QP has a DS tranny. :)

The paddles on the auto are not gear selectors, they are "suggestion" paddles. The shifts on the DS when I pull the trigger are quick, firm, and exactly when I want them. The auto takes the trigger pull as a suggestion, and responds "yeah, yeah... I'll get to that shift in a moment..."
 

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Anyway autos are more suitable for saloons, MPVs, SUVs, and long distance cruisers like propably a QP or a Merc CL.
Even in city traffic are ideal!
But when it comes to a windy road with 400BHPs under the hood, rear locked diff and sharp steering, you definately need a manual or sequential.
Auto is no good at these conditions!
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3K clutch replacements? My cambio has 27k miles on one clutch.

The glamour that surrounds the cambiocorsa is a result of the shift at high rpm that is not matched on the automatic.

But I'd prefer the auto in traffic though.
 

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On the whole, though, the Maser CC is fun, the car is a great toy, well worth the trouble. It's like riding a horse.. you have to deal with the horse, but that's the point.
 
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