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Has anyone dynoed pre and post chip upgrade installation
Hello again.
It's one thing to spend a few hundred dollars for a performance chip upgrade, and yet another to spend a few thousand. With all due respect to the membership, their is a strong psychological tendency for people to justify or rationalize what they've purchased. I would like to hear from somebody who dynoed their car both before and after an upgrade chip installation, on the same machine of course. Only then can we understand objectively what is going on, and whether our seat of the pants sensations are truly accurate. Am I being too cynical here? For two grand, I would like to see objectively the increase in horsepower and torque these companies (PowerChip and EuroTek) claim to accomplish. Year after year, automotive magazines, such as Car and Driver, have tested various aftermarket chip and software upgrades, many times concluding that there were no objective changes in performance. In fact, in some instances, the stock software proved to be better. Any Thoughts?
Thanks.
Frankie P
It's one thing to spend a few hundred dollars for a performance chip upgrade, and yet another to spend a few thousand. With all due respect to the membership, their is a strong psychological tendency for people to justify or rationalize what they've purchased. I would like to hear from somebody who dynoed their car both before and after an upgrade chip installation, on the same machine of course. Only then can we understand objectively what is going on, and whether our seat of the pants sensations are truly accurate. Am I being too cynical here? For two grand, I would like to see objectively the increase in horsepower and torque these companies (PowerChip and EuroTek) claim to accomplish. Year after year, automotive magazines, such as Car and Driver, have tested various aftermarket chip and software upgrades, many times concluding that there were no objective changes in performance. In fact, in some instances, the stock software proved to be better. Any Thoughts?
Thanks.
Frankie P
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Dear "Bimbo,"
Many of our members have upgraded the engine ECU to the products offered by PowerChip, and more recently, EuroTek. The members seem very happy with the results. I was just wondering whether any had their cars measured objectively, that's all. It is my understanding that the CambioCorsa software is entirely separate from the engine management software, by the way. I don't know if it is actually saved on a separate chip or board, but the gentlemen at PowerChip assure me theirs has nothing to do with the transmission software. In fact, my ECU has been changed to correct a cold start problem, but my car still has the '02, original transmission software, as I don't want the updates. That seems to indicate that the two systems are separate. As our engines act as the foundation for the new Ferrari 430, which makes about 100 hp more than ours, I think we have a little headroom to play with, even considering the top end of the new Ferrari engine is unique. Thanks for your input.
Ciao,
Frankie P
Many of our members have upgraded the engine ECU to the products offered by PowerChip, and more recently, EuroTek. The members seem very happy with the results. I was just wondering whether any had their cars measured objectively, that's all. It is my understanding that the CambioCorsa software is entirely separate from the engine management software, by the way. I don't know if it is actually saved on a separate chip or board, but the gentlemen at PowerChip assure me theirs has nothing to do with the transmission software. In fact, my ECU has been changed to correct a cold start problem, but my car still has the '02, original transmission software, as I don't want the updates. That seems to indicate that the two systems are separate. As our engines act as the foundation for the new Ferrari 430, which makes about 100 hp more than ours, I think we have a little headroom to play with, even considering the top end of the new Ferrari engine is unique. Thanks for your input.
Ciao,
Frankie P
Going along the same lines as Franky was mentioning.
The motors in the Maserati's are capable of much more reliable power. Ferrari does not want to release a Maserati motor with more horsepower than their beloved 360. In my opinion the Maserati motors are detuned.
The motors in the Maserati's are capable of much more reliable power. Ferrari does not want to release a Maserati motor with more horsepower than their beloved 360. In my opinion the Maserati motors are detuned.
Bigger issue for me is warranty implications. I liked how doing a Dinan download on my M3 gave a very noticeable improvement without even adding any HP. But since Dinan worked along side BMW it was covered. Would hate to have Maserati tell me something not covered due to the chip. Spending 2 grand for their claimed increase in power seems like decent value but would be peanuts compared to say a blown engine that Maserati refused to cover
Dear Scott,
I am told that these upgrades are completely invisible. Whether that is true, or whether the chip manufacturer could be held liable if the dealer detected the upgrade, are other questions. I remember seeing a number of posts some months ago by members who purchased the unit. Perhaps the owners with these chip upgrades can update us on how they're doing, both in terms of performance and reliability.
I am told that these upgrades are completely invisible. Whether that is true, or whether the chip manufacturer could be held liable if the dealer detected the upgrade, are other questions. I remember seeing a number of posts some months ago by members who purchased the unit. Perhaps the owners with these chip upgrades can update us on how they're doing, both in terms of performance and reliability.
390 hp is already "stupid fast". It is barely usable on the street as is.
I remember having problems with cold starts after i chipped my 964 way back. The mechanic said: "What, you thought somebody could out-engineer the factory?" I bowed my head and told him to put the stock chip back in.
I am sure the vendor's chip is a wonderful product and works as advertised, but I am personally done with "extreme" mods, trying to change "well enough", and so on...
I remember having problems with cold starts after i chipped my 964 way back. The mechanic said: "What, you thought somebody could out-engineer the factory?" I bowed my head and told him to put the stock chip back in.
I am sure the vendor's chip is a wonderful product and works as advertised, but I am personally done with "extreme" mods, trying to change "well enough", and so on...
They don't actually switch the chips. You over-night your chip to them, the program it and send it back. Hell why not bump 390 to 410? Sure you can use it, just find an empty road outside the city. But I do understand where you are coming from.v12gte said:390 hp is already "stupid fast". It is barely usable on the street as is.
I remember having problems with cold starts after i chipped my 964 way back. The mechanic said: "What, you thought somebody could out-engineer the factory?" I bowed my head and told him to put the stock chip back in.
I am sure the vendor's chip is a wonderful product and works as advertised, but I am personally done with "extreme" mods, trying to change "well enough", and so on...
Frankie P,
Yes they are undetectable. Powerchip is actually just remapping the chip.
all this talk about chips being worth it, yet no solid numbers.
chips do indeed help, but depends on application. we need to find the tuner who can unleash the full potential of the motor to compete with the ferrari.
for example, i bought a custom tuned chip for my supercharged truck, i gained about 55hp and 75tq...(40rwhp 65rwtq..ish) and it was $480. to me, that was worth it. if ur guys are talkin about a chip that increases
20 bhp....whats the use in that if it costs a couple g's.... theres no point!!! at least in my opinion...
someone needs to get hard numbers down before they say, ohh yes, the chip helped a lot...blah blah blah.... otherwise ur going to believe what the tuners say...they will say whatever u want to hear so u will buy their product.
im not out to discourage anyone, just pointing out the logical thought process of buying something that costs soo much, yet does not deliver anything worth its $$$...
Aj
chips do indeed help, but depends on application. we need to find the tuner who can unleash the full potential of the motor to compete with the ferrari.
for example, i bought a custom tuned chip for my supercharged truck, i gained about 55hp and 75tq...(40rwhp 65rwtq..ish) and it was $480. to me, that was worth it. if ur guys are talkin about a chip that increases
20 bhp....whats the use in that if it costs a couple g's.... theres no point!!! at least in my opinion...
someone needs to get hard numbers down before they say, ohh yes, the chip helped a lot...blah blah blah.... otherwise ur going to believe what the tuners say...they will say whatever u want to hear so u will buy their product.
im not out to discourage anyone, just pointing out the logical thought process of buying something that costs soo much, yet does not deliver anything worth its $$$...
Aj
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