[TedWray]

I think you are stuck in the past..I knew that when you said remove the caps on the battery and check with a hydrometer....That was then..get with modern times Sir...J

Lead / Acid batteries still work the same as ever. The trend has been to hide the cell covers ("It's sealed") so unscrupulous mechanics can increase sales, and that creates a market for battery "remanufacturers". If you mean by "get with modern times" trashing products as soon as the new gizmo smell wears off, that will never happen. Nor will it if you mean that one should learn to accept scams.

Ted

 

[[email protected] Enzo`s Atlanta]

Stellantis is actually the parent. And yes, Fiat bought Chrysler; and Marchionne expanded the Maserati range to include more “downmarket” offerings, i.e., the Ghibli. (My 4200 CC was $90,000 in 2002. A new Ghibli is about $95,000 20 years later.). But the Ghibli was based on the Chrysler 200 with an engine assembled by Ferrari using a Chrysler 6 cylinder block. Sure, the Ghibli has more engine than used in the TC — a 4 cylinder Chrysler or a 6 cylinder Mitsubishi — but the TC engine was probably comparable to a Porsche 944 of the day. (Given that the TC likely weighed in at a half ton less, 160 GP was likely pretty sporty.).

I wouldn’t buy one. Stick with a BMW that’s more easily serviced with greater parts availability. (I have to drive by 7 BMW dealers before I get close to the Maserati dealer and the staff at the MaseratI dealership are jerks.). It’s not my intention to trash Maserati. I love my 4200 with no plans on retiring it. But, if you’re going to “marry an Italian woman” — whether automotive or human — make sure that she’s worth the headache and maintenance.

I'm well aware of that, but I wasn't going even deeper into that pond with him..Marchionne wanted to sell more cars and that is exactly what they did...Downgrade or not...If you don't sell cars then you are screwed as that luxury segment is over saturated with brands currently IMO..J

 

[[email protected] Enzo`s Atlanta]

Lead / Acid batteries still work the same as ever. The trend has been to hide the cell covers ("It's sealed") so unscrupulous mechanics can increase sales, and that creates a market for battery "remanufacturers". If you mean by "get with modern times" trashing products as soon as the new gizmo smell wears off, that will never happen. Nor will it if you mean that one should learn to accept scams.

Ted

Yeah, techs are getting rich selling car batteries..You got all us.. Ted, with all due respect..I don't think you know the difference between shit and apple butter about a modern vehicle...J

 

[rigotee]

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Now your are getting personal. A GNX does not belong on the turd list. No way, no how

 

[jscalia]

I'm well aware of that, but I wasn't going even deeper into that pond with him..Marchionne wanted to sell more cars and that is exactly what they did...Downgrade or not...If you don't sell cars then you are screwed as that luxury segment isover saturated with brands currently IMO..J

(Sorry, I didn't realize you were not responding to my original post about the TC -- "what's old is new again.") But to follow-through ... how much do you want to sacrifice your pedigree for an extra 5-7,000 car sales per year. Wasn't that why Ferrari bought Maserati: to make use of excess capacity and increase sales? They just did it with a "second label" rather than dilute the Ferrari brand. It was certainly a high-risk move for Maserati ... if you fail in the US market, you're banished for a generation or more.

 

[[email protected] Enzo`s Atlanta]

No worries..I don't agree on the whole pedigree thing..I deal with customers all day about cars...95% of them don't care about stuff like that...People are just weird about vehicles and like them for different reasons...J

 

[jscalia]

No worries..I don't agree on the whole pedigree thing..I deal with customers all day about cars...95% of them don't care about stuff like that...People are just weird about vehicles and like them for different reasons...J

LOL. I can empathise with that -- "... just weird about vehicles ..."

 

[TedWray]

Now your are getting personal. A GNX does not belong on the turd list. No way, no how

Actually, "turd lists" and dissing other cars, even shove-its, do not belong on a Maserati site.

Ted

 

[TedWray]

Yeah, techs are getting rich selling car batteries..You got all us.. Ted, with all due respect..I don't think you know the difference between shit and apple butter about a modern vehicle...J

Not just batteries, several dozen items; that is why you get a commission on parts. I also note that neither you nor anyone else at Enzo's claims "factory training". That means NO time in Modena, which matters when Maseratis are involved. Would you believe it? There are people who hang out shingles claiming to be Ferrari and Maserati experts based purely on the hope of fleecing gullible well healed chumps.

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[[email protected] Enzo`s Atlanta]

Dude, you are about a f-ing moron. Techs nor people at my shop get a commission on parts..Quit talking about stuff you know nothing about is my best advice..I don't need to go to Italy or England to fix a Jaguar, Land Rover, Maserati, or Ferrari product...They invented the internet along the way..You can actually learn about a particular brand of car without visiting the home country... You are correct and I'm not factory trained,but I have fixed cars for like 33 years and my shop is filled with cars including cars from out of state so I'm good with that and I don't give two shits about Modena...You obviously have no understanding on how modern cars are built with similar technology and the same vendors for a lot of parts...Go back to 1950..

 

[PoorboyGT]

Oh what the hell. I’ll step in it with y’all
The ‘Chrysler by Maserati’ car just looks awkward If it has a good engine put it in a more aesthetic shape. I’ve seen those Chrysler at the old folks home

 

[PoorboyGT]

Hey tedwray beat it, scram, get the F out now

 

[TedWray]

Dude, you are about a f-ing moron. Techs nor people at my shop get a commission on parts..Quit talking about stuff you know nothing about is my best advice..I don't need to go to Italy or England to fix a Jaguar, Land Rover, Maserati, or Ferrari product...They invented the internet along the way..You can actually learn about a particular brand of car without visiting the home country... You are correct and I'm not factory trained,but I have fixed cars for like 33 years and my shop is filled with cars including cars from out of state so I'm good with that and I don't give two shits about Modena...You obviously have no understanding on how modern cars are built with similar technology and the same vendors for a lot of parts...Go back to 1950..

Gee, I must have touched a nerve.

Ted.

 

[jscalia]

Dude, you are about a f-ing moron. Techs nor people at my shop get a commission on parts..Quit talking about stuff you know nothing about is my best advice..I don't need to go to Italy or England to fix a Jaguar, Land Rover, Maserati, or Ferrari product...They invented the internet along the way..You can actually learn about a particular brand of car without visiting the home country... You are correct and I'm not factory trained,but I have fixed cars for like 33 years and my shop is filled with cars including cars from out of state so I'm good with that and I don't give two shits about Modena...You obviously have no understanding on how modern cars are built with similar technology and the same vendors for a lot of parts...Go back to 1950..

Jason is one — if not — the best on this board. Always generously providing help and advice. If he’s still around when my wife and I retire to Savannah in a few years, he has my business. But, I do appreciate the concern that not all repair facilities can be trusted and that “free” coffee at the dealerships costs you at least a 50% premium on maintenance. (I previously post my ordeal purchasing a couple of ignition coils. The Maserati dealership was outrageously expensive and they didn’t even have them in stock.). But Dealerships have lots of “mouths to feed” and it’s has to be Reflected in the prices charged. So, choose a good independent and buy your own coffee.

 

[Scotta98]

Not just batteries, several dozen items; that is why you get a commission on parts. I also note that neither you nor anyone else at Enzo's claims "factory training". That means NO time in Modena, which matters when Maseratis are involved. Would you believe it? There are people who hang out shingles claiming to be Ferrari and Maserati experts based purely on the hope of fleecing gullible well healed chumps.

Ted
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Dude, you are way out of line. Have you ever been to their shop? Jason runs the place where dealers will send their premium brands when they can't figure out what's going on. Perhaps this isn't the forum for you?

 

[Sag2]

Ha...on a lighter note...I've got a few terds in the garage....I think this is one of my favorite....hmmm...maybe not?

 

[PoorboyGT]

 

[PoorboyGT]

Just had to throw this out Cadillac xlr
I think there a corvette based car
Not necessarily a turd, thoughts??

 

[[email protected] Enzo`s Atlanta]

They are kinda cool...The Northstar engine kinda sucks...

 

[Cdn17Sport6MT]

Hey, re batteries with removable caps... for most cars, i.e. those with accessible batteries, I would be willing to pay extra to get a battery of this type (and to be able to test individual cells with a hydrometer (hyGrometer ?). It is opportune to be able to ensure individual cells are not running low in acid; adding distilled water, charging, and then finding out the specific gravities of ea. to early-on learn if the battery is becoming weak. Load tests are good too, of course. I've been able to nurse-along batteries some years beyond their Best-Before dates in this way... but for my older cars.
I would not advocate, though, having a less-than-stellar battery in a Maser, i.e. electronic modules intensive car!