Bose NIT Ssd upgrade

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Billydv

Discussion Starter · 17 d ago

So, now that I've done everything else to this car, I'm not waiting for the NIT to fail. A 14 year old hard drive WILL fall, probably sooner rather than later. Came across a 2010 NIT from a recycler, ordered it today. I'm certainly not going to experiment with my working installed NIT (even though it's in the trunk lol). From other posts, it would appear that it's probably a 40gb pata drive. The ideal replacement will be a 40gb or slightly larger pata industrial ssd with operating temperature spec of -40c to 85c. My guess is Clonezilla or Acronis True Image using sector by sector copy will be the way to go.
I have an extra pigtail to power the NIT so all of this will be done on a bench.
Replacement of a 2009-2010 NIT requires a proxi alignment to let Can network recognize the new NIT. I'm curious to see if this is due to some type of Mac address in the unit itself or if there is something written to the drive. Will be interesting to find out if dropping in a copied imaged hdd from a different NIT will result in the need to do another proxi alignment.
If anyone has played with this specifically on a 2009-2010, and has any info, please share
Thanks

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kissthebricksdad^

· #2 · 17 d ago

This will be an interesting thread!

Billydv

Discussion Starter · #3 · 17 d ago

Yes it will lol.
Here are my objectives
1- find a suitable permanent alternative drive, one that will have a much much longer life than an hdd
2- find out if the written info on the drives can simply be swapped into a new NIT.
3- find out what specifically causes the need for a proxi alignment, is it something written on the drive or is it a Mac address of some kind
4- to determine what is the best method of copying the drive and to see if the drives have some type of uuid that will need to be copied to new drive

epb0

· #4 · 17 d ago (Edited)

Change HDD to SSD IDE is not a good idea. NIT are old and not manage TRIM. System will be slow.

Better way is to use a CF card (UDMA 6 or lower), with IDE 44 adapter.

Clone your HDD to this CF card, and it will be perfect work. No proxy aligment needed.

Original HDD size is 30 GB. Don't change size of partitions (there are 4 partitions), NIT dont manage larger capacity.

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kissthebricksdad^

· #5 · 17 d ago

Couldn't there also be some firmware on a board that the proxi alignment touches? You might also try contacting Bose customer support. Bose might still have some tech info they would be willing to share.

Billydv

Discussion Starter · #6 · 17 d ago

@epb0
Is that the drive from a 2009-2010 Bose?
As for trim, that's irrelevant, there's no trim on a pata ssd. It won't be slow. All ssds have garbage collection built in. There's no writes to the ssd, I won't be storing music, contacts etc. Lack of trim will be irrelevant. Only important thing is alignment of blocks on the copy process. That's why I'm planning to try DD in Clonezill live disk

epb0

· #7 · 17 d ago

It's NIT Bose, from '09 Granturismo

Some informations about TRIM (see comments from Mav, in english)

Remplacer le disque dur du WipCom 3D/NaviDrive 3D par un SSD – Le Blog de T.BOUZIGE

www.theobouzige.fr

Billydv

Discussion Starter · #8 · 17 d ago

I translated the posts. So I get the idea regarding unfamiliarity with IDE ssds but you have one serious problem (maybe not so serious depending on where in France you live). Msata ssds drives and regular ssds have an operating temp of 0 to 70c. When it's cold here in NY, many nights will drop well below 0c, the ssd may refuse to work or may corrupt. That is why I believe it's absolutely necessary to use an industrial grade ssd meant for machinery. It has a greater tolerance for cold and shocks than a standard ssd.
I also find it odd that yours had a 30gb hdd. Other folks have mentioned a 40gb hdd. Toshiba also, same series. Maybe has something to do with it being a Gran Turismo

cratloe

· #9 · 17 d ago

I worked on this with another forum member who did the hard yards on reading the drive and this is what we found.

Replacement drive must be the same specification - larger or SSD did not work. The drive used by BOSE/Maserati has higher shock and temperature tolerances.

MK4036GAC - Toshiba 40GB

US vendor - Toshiba 40GB IDE Ultra ATA-100 4200RPM 8MB Internal 2.5" Hard Drive MK4036GAC

System uses a File system PJFS 178 which is described here https://ghs.com/products/safety_critical/integrity_178_extensions.html#pjfs_file. Files and Partitions cannot be seen by typical OS so you need to use software to image the new disk and the one I used was HDD Guru.

HDD Guru - HDD Raw Copy Tool is a utility for low-level, sector-by-sector hard disk duplication and image creation. HDD Raw Copy tool makes an exact duplicate of a SATA, IDE, SAS, SCSI or SSD hard disk drive. Will also work with any USB and FIREWIRE external drive enclosures as well as SD, MMC, MemoryStick and CompactFlash media.
The tool creates a sector-by-sector copy of all areas of the hard drive (MBR, boot records, all partitions as well as space in between). HDD Raw Copy does not care about the operating system on the drive – it could be Windows, Linux, Mac, or any other OS with any number of partitions (including hidden ones). Bad sectors are skipped by the tool.

Download Windows Installer (most people will want this option): HDD Raw Copy ver.1.10 setup
Download Windows Executable (works without installation): HDD Raw Copy ver.1.10 portable

Additional Bose Updates and Instructions after imaging new disk
Update 1

Maserati Bose Update 1 - Google Drive

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Update 2

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/168CNl2hB_yhOckB7jMjW

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epb0

· #10 · 17 d ago

Replacement drive must be the same specification - larger or SSD did not work. The drive used by BOSE/Maserati has higher shock and temperature tolerances.

Off course you can use larger disk, but as you clone original disk, extra size will be not use.
You musn't change partition size after cloning.

Billydv

Discussion Starter · #11 · 17 d ago

@cratloe
Thanks so much. There were numerous posts regarding passwords for firmware of drive that didn't make sense to me as an IT person. I had always assumed DD on a sector by sector raw copy should work.
As for replacement drive, what I've been researching since yesterday, seems like best approach is to indeed use a similar spec "automotive " duty hard drive, hopefully the same Toshiba due to extreme temperature and shock specs.
Now, one question regarding update cds. Are those updates for European region or will they work for United States?

Billydv

Discussion Starter · #12 · 17 d ago

Knowing now the type of filesystem used, I'm leaning away from an ssd. Ssds are great for certain filesystems but it seems that this type of filesystem is probably best with original hdd type.

Billydv

Discussion Starter · #13 · 16 d ago

Maserati Bose Update 2 - Google Drive

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This was the corrected link but the folder appears to be empty or not shared

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Billydv

Discussion Starter · #14 · 16 d ago

By the way, there's only one iso in update 1

cratloe

· #15 · 16 d ago

We tried a 64GB automotive spec Transcend SSD and it did not work.

cratloe

· #16 · 16 d ago

Billydv said:
@cratloe
Thanks so much. There were numerous posts regarding passwords for firmware of drive that didn't make sense to me as an IT person. I had always assumed DD on a sector by sector raw copy should work.
As for replacement drive, what I've been researching since yesterday, seems like best approach is to indeed use a similar spec "automotive " duty hard drive, hopefully the same Toshiba due to extreme temperature and shock specs.
Now, one question regarding update cds. Are those updates for European region or will they work for United States?

Not sure but as they contain map updates it is likely they are European. Still 10 years old so most use Waze

Billydv

Discussion Starter · #17 · 16 d ago

Can you confirm that indeed you shared the other disc? It doesn't seem to be there

Billydv

Discussion Starter · #18 · 16 d ago

cratloe said:
We tried a 64GB automotive spec Transcend SSD and it did not work.

I assume that the type of filesystem has something to do with the issue. I have actually emailed GHS regarding their filesystem to see if it has issues with SSDs

cratloe

· #19 · 16 d ago

Billydv said:
Can you confirm that indeed you shared the other disc? It doesn't seem to be there

Should have been in there. Will have to find another copy

Billydv

Discussion Starter · #20 · 16 d ago

I think it may possibly be a share permission issue

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