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Ok - I have been looking at Maseratis for a couple weeks now and plan on purchasing a used one (2004-2006) soon (Haven't decided the model yet - son wants me to get gransport I dont know between that, coupe gt or qp). I have been reading threads that the a/c sucks and needs recharged on a yearly basis and that the heated seats are warm at best. Is it too much for me to aske for toasty seats or a cold cabin when wanted? What can I really expect performance wise on these necessities? THX
 

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Get a GS, more fun, better ride and no problems so far with AC & Seat heating. Actually mine is too warm!
 

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I've got to second that.. no experience of the 4200 but my GS the seats are toasty (better than my Audi S4 was actually) and the aircon is just fine, worked a treat in 40c heat in italy over the summer. The condenser dryer is a 2 year service item so make sure it's been done.
 

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have on 02 gs

and have to say i have had no problems with the heat on the seats at all- completely toasty.
he a/c has never been recharged and generally works very well- in traffic, shifting a lot, it may get a little warmer but i have been pleased.
i was faced with the same decision regarding a gt versus gs
i opted for the gt as i like to work the gears myself (i find it therapeutic)
with some of he mods from fd you can approximate the gs experience as well.
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Don't have heated seats but, my A/C is always chilly & adequately cools the interior - even tho I have a spyder....FWIW
 

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Ok - I have been looking at Maseratis for a couple weeks now and plan on purchasing a used one (2004-2006) soon (Haven't decided the model yet - son wants me to get gransport I dont know between that, coupe gt or qp). I have been reading threads that the a/c sucks and needs recharged on a yearly basis and that the heated seats are warm at best. Is it too much for me to aske for toasty seats or a cold cabin when wanted? What can I really expect performance wise on these necessities? THX
My '02 GT Coupe works flawlessly. Seats heat up quick and stay toasty warm, and my A/C has had the original charge since it was new in 2002. Blows super cold all the time when needed.
 

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I have a 2003 CC and living in South FL AC was a big concern, but must say that it works very well. The fan creats a minor hurricane with lots of cool air. As far as the seat heater I can only say that my buns have gotten pretty toasty the couple of times I have hit the button by accident when adjusting the seat.
 

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Thanks all I feel alot better now after reading the comments. Seems like I have no worries except which car to pick! Thanks again! Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate it!
 

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Ok - I have been looking at Maseratis for a couple weeks now and plan on purchasing a used one (2004-2006) soon (Haven't decided the model yet - son wants me to get gransport I dont know between that, coupe gt or qp).
Search for the threads on the differences between the Coupe and the GS. Cosmetic mostly. Same engine, suspension etc. The extra 10HP comes from the exhaust. Add Tubi or Larini and the Coupe would have more HP than the GS. The suspension on both are the same. The only difference is that the GS is 1/2" lower, 19" rims and slighlty quicker shift program for the CC model -not much of a change since - look at the stats for each - the same - and is no longer an issue when you add the DBW from FD. As to A/C, the system in each is exactly the same.

Get a GS, more fun, better ride and no problems so far with AC & Seat heating. Actually mine is too warm!
The GS handles better than a stock Coupe but doesn't "ride" better so I'm not sure how one is more fun than the other.

with some of he mods from fd you can approximate the gs experience as well.
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I think most here would agree that a Coupe with the FD mods will overperform a stock GS. Add the mods to both stock cars and you have the same car with with sole difference being the interior variations and the aero kit.
 

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If you prefer gadgets and normal driving, then go for the Coupe, its a softer ride and has more gadgets (LCD screen, etc).

I disagree with Ramp above, the GS is how the Coupe should have been as a sports car!

If you prefer fast rides then definitely go for the GS, the difference is not just cosmetic (GS does look more aggressive and "meaner") the entire car is better tuned for fast driving.
 

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If the Air conditioning system needs an annual recharge then it is leaking, plain and simple. The most likely culprit being the expansion valve mounted on the firewall, these are the achilles heel of the A/C. Heated seats work great in my opinion. Go for the gold and get the Gran Sport. Best of luck.
 

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the GS is how the Coupe should have been as a sports car! If you prefer fast rides then definitely go for the GS, the difference is not just cosmetic (GS does look more aggressive and "meaner") the entire car is better tuned for fast driving.
What specifically are the tuning improvements the GS has over the Coupe ? What makes it better tuned ?

Not to be argumentative, maybe I'm missing something, and sorry to all GS owners but, IMO, the differences are largely cosmetic and not performance.

My point being that the changes Maserati made are very subtle changes that most manufacturers make on an annual or bi-annual basis. Eg., say between an ’04 911 and an ’06 911 (substitute Boxsters and Caymans as well). Porsche may bump the HP a bit, tweak this or that, add a cup holder, but the car is virtually the same. That is what Maserati did when they cam out with the GS. It is a far cry from going from a base 911 to an S version or Turbo – the latter of which have very substantial changes to the mechanicals and software. Same with BMW. There are slight variations from year to year on the base 3 or 5 series. But, the move to an M series is a very significant move. We're talking different suspensions, engine components, brake upgrades, software systems, etc.

The GS does not make anything like that jump over a Coupe. Basically they tweaked the software for a slightly but barely noticeable improvement, lowered car 1/2", added 19" wheels and an Aero kit, changed up the dash and partially changed the exhaust. That's about it.

Thus, my opinion is go for what you like cosmetically. Both the GS and Coupe need improvement with the FD mods and THAT is how they both should have come out of Maserati.

My perflect 4200 blend would be a Coupe Interior (with a modified LCD/Audio system), GS seats and Aero kit, and all the FD mods along with my new Senssata tires which so far I think are awesome.


If the Air conditioning system needs an annual recharge then it is leaking, plain and simple. The most likely culprit being the expansion valve mounted on the firewall, these are the achilles heel of the A/C. Heated seats work great in my opinion.
Kent - If I want to check for the leak, do I check the expansion valve from the inside or engine bay and I assume with the A/C running.

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GranSport updates from the Coupe line:

Engine:
produces 400 bhp
reduced internal friction
changed intake manifolds and valve seats
electronically controlled pneumatic valve system

Exhaust:
new sports exhaust system

Transmission and suspension:
cambiocorsa installed by default
sport mode with revised software for 35% quicker gear changes
ride height was lowered by 10mm
suspension was stiffened
lower centre of gravity

Wheels:
new Trofeo 19" wheels (265/30 in the back)

Body:
new bumpers
new side sills
lower spoilers
rear spoiler lip
improved Cd value (wind tunnel testing)
improved vertical loads (Cz) between front and rear axles

Cosmetic:
inside carbon dash panel and middle console
removed LCD and replaced by Becker OEM unit
etc...

As i said above, the GS is what the Coupe should have been. Drive it, and you'll understand what i mean, i've had both and the GS is whole new car.
 

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I have driven both - multiple times and find very little if any difference. Sorry but the GS is simply not a leap ahead of the coupe as an M series or AMG is over a base car. I'm just not into convincing myself that I have something I don't. E.g. as much as some would like to think we have a Ferrari in Maserati clothing, we simply don't. As much as I originaly thought that I can say the Maserati can handle as well or better than my prior 911, I have come to terms with the fact that I can't - the 911 is simply leaps ahead on handling - with that said, the Maserati, for a variety of factors, brings a smile to my face more than the 911 - but on a slalom, I'll take the 911 any day, on a road trip through the mountains, I'll take the Maserati.

GranSport updates from the Coupe line:

Engine:
produces 400 bhp 10hp increase is from the exhaust change

reduced internal friction - ok, they polished the intakes - improvement is not measurable

changed intake manifolds and valve seats - could be wrong but from what I understand this is no different from the coupe

electronically controlled pneumatic valve system -are you saying that the coupe does not have this ? - ditto to above -

Exhaust:

new sports exhaust system - they removed the center resonator and used tubi style mufflers for some increased flow. Larini or full tubi provide better performance

Transmission and suspension:
cambiocorsa installed by default - don't understand this ? Do you mean that they took away the 6M option ? If anything, the GS should have had a 6M option

sport mode with revised software for 35% quicker gear changes -the quicker software only kicks in over 5k rpm's from what I understand and this is negated by FD's DBW - do you have the DBW ?

ride height was lowered by 10mm - Already mentioned and is negated by FD's springs wich greatly enhance both the coupe and GS

suspension was stiffened - first I'm hearing that any of the suspension components have been changed. My understanding is the coupe and GS are exactly the same - all the parts manuals have exactly the same components. They did revise the software for skyhook as a result of lowering the car. FD's new adjustment system should once again make the car perform the way it should have from Maserati

lower centre of gravity - every car will handle better with a lower cg

Wheels:
new Trofeo 19" wheels (265/30 in the back) - that makes it better ?

Body:
new bumpers
new side sills
lower spoilers
rear spoiler lip
improved Cd value (wind tunnel testing)
improved vertical loads (Cz) between front and rear axles all cosmetic - maybe on a track at all out youmay notice a difference - don't get me wrong, I like the look but that's all it is
 

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1) For some unknown reason, you keep mentioning the M series and the AMG, which have nothing to do with the Coupe vs the GS. So thats not a valid argument.

2) Bashing on the differences of the two cars makes you look silly, the above changes are what they are, changes. Which proves the fact that the GS is a better car and thats how the Coupe should have been if it had those updates.

3) I don't quite understand your motivation and what you have against the GS, its still a better car than the Coupe, so get over it :D
 

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If you don't understand the difference between an M series and 3 series and a base MB and an AMG then you would not understand my point. I have nothing against the GS and don't rule out buying one with prices where they are - my point being that if I do it will not b/c I think the GS is some major leap over the coupe - it simply isn't.

And to argue that the GS is what Maserati should have originally produced is also silly since almost evry thread on this forum is about improving it with FD mods - not just the coupe but the GS as well - both with the exact same mod's.

My other point is I think it's foolish when people try and convince themselves that their car is something it's not. But since your now going personal rather than stay on the point of what the differences b/t the Coupe and GS really mean, if anything, then I'll move on. Enjoy your turkey:D
 

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well I'm going to have to put my 2c in too..

There are differences between the coupe & the GS, on paper not a lot & mostly cosmetic. However when I was looking & testing both coupe's & GS's it's a significantly noticable difference. I found the GS was more foccused & generally felt better balanced. I prefer the interior & now I've gotten used to the surf board side skirts I prefer the look of it too.

It's fair to say that the GS is an evolution of the coupe & it shows.

It's a bit odd to compare modified coupes against std GS's - sure, if you want to specialise & tailor your car for a specific task, track work, or out right speed I'm guessing you'll never see the limits of power & traction as both as essentially the same. But apples for apples, the GS get's my vote. Better sorted, easy to live with.

I'm sure ppl will argue but that's just my opinion, I'm sure you can guess which one I bought..
 

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wow, top gear is quoting me!!! :D indeed, the GS is so much better...
 

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From the previous top gear presentation of the 4200 i got the feeling the gearbox of the car is a bit slow, my question is....
Is there any way you can make the gearbox of the 4200 as fast as the GS??
 
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