Maserati Forum banner

1 - 18 of 18 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
681 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
If you're possibly interested in another Eurotek groupbuy because you missed the first one post here. I've had 3 people call me in the last week asking if we could do this. I checked with Phil at Euro and he doesn't mind so if the interest is there maybe we can get the ball rolling.

Regards,
Kevin
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
31 Posts
Eurotek groupbuy discount

Kevin:
we talked via phone and while I'd want to actually drive my "new" GS a bit before commiting, my sense is that I'd likely want to go in on the group purchase. That said, however, is there anyway of getting a thread going here that would address the real and perceived degree of enhancement that the Eurotek ECU has actually had on the GS cars? I'm not sure I'd want to put one on without some objective sense of what it can be expected to do performance wise, and hearing from other GS owners.
Thanks,
Carl
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
681 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
microfuelcellar said:
Kevin:
we talked via phone and while I'd want to actually drive my "new" GS a bit before commiting, my sense is that I'd likely want to go in on the group purchase. That said, however, is there anyway of getting a thread going here that would address the real and perceived degree of enhancement that the Eurotek ECU has actually had on the GS cars? I'm not sure I'd want to put one on without some objective sense of what it can be expected to do performance wise, and hearing from other GS owners.
Thanks,
Carl
Carl,

Hey, I don't plan on having this happen overnight. It's once we get enough buyers so I'm sure you'll have a chance to enjoy your car before making a decision to upgrade it. As far as feedback from GS owners:

http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=872&highlight=Eurotek

http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=836&highlight=Eurotek

Hope that helps.

Regards,
Kevin
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
188 Posts
microfuelcellar said:
...That said, however, is there anyway of getting a thread going here that would address the real and perceived degree of enhancement that the Eurotek ECU has actually had on the GS cars? I'm not sure I'd want to put one on without some objective sense of what it can be expected to do performance wise, and hearing from other GS owners.
Carl, I'm not a mod guy but decided to risk this one... it is really a worthwile one, can't imagine going back to stock.

Beyond any (unquantified) Hp / Torque gains the driveability is way better.

And I could be wrong here, but didn't the original group buy have some kind of a money back guarantee? Maybe I just imagined it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
681 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
RQ said:
And I could be wrong here, but didn't the original group buy have some kind of a money back guarantee? Maybe I just imagined it.
It did, you have two weeks after the ECU is returned and if you have a valid reason for not liking it you can send it back.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
31 Posts
That's great feedback. What year is your GS and how many miles did you have on it when you put the chip in and how many miles have you put on it since?
How would you describe the balance of "enhancements" between "get up and go"; top end improvement and what you refer to as overall driveability?? My understanding is that they've already done some very nice things to the transmission software in sport mode, as well as some exhaust improvements in sport mode also, so my question would be...in light of those pre-existing enhancements, how much better does the chip make things in the areas I just identified?
Sorry if it's too confusing. I'll take whatever you give me in response.
Thanks
Carl
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
188 Posts
My GS is an '05, can't remember the mileage exactly but it was probably 1,500 when I sent the ECU in, got around 3,800 now (yes, don't get to drive it as often).

"Get up and go" is what I think this mod is all about, before the car was only fun at higher revs and (relatively) heavy off the line, seems like the torque was increased and more importantly broadened. That is probably the biggest factor for what I mean by "driveability" - nimbler, more responsive. Like the car had the volume turned up.

Hope that helps.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
681 Posts
Discussion Starter #11
MikeA had his car dyno'd on 91 oct IIRC. And haha did also.

If you guys want dynographs just shoot me an email and I'll forward you what I have.

0-60 times I don't believe have ever been measured just because there are too many variables that can change the results. Usually on aftermarket products the only variable accounted for is HP/TQ. Unless you're talking about a package that's going to change the car. I.E. Lingenfelter Corvettes or RSI Vipers.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
188 Posts
haha said:
and we also know that haha wasn't too excited about the numbers after the mod. honestly, don't do it if 91 oct is the only fuel you're be using.
I'm probably ignorant here, but is it really possible that 2 octane points make that big a difference?

To me it was a huge change, variables being a GS and 93.

Bonafide question here, I don't have a dog in the fight.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
681 Posts
Discussion Starter #14
haha said:
and we also know that haha wasn't too excited about the numbers after the mod. honestly, don't do it if 91 oct is the only fuel you're be using.
don't know if the charts are for 96 or possibly 93 but it sure isn't dyno'd with 91. the graphs on mine isn't anywhere close to their ad. having said that, the mod does make it drive like what a sports car should be. my gripe is that Eurotek should be candid about the result on 91 octanes.
That's direct from you in another thread. What you're saying is 91 octane doesn't give the same results as 93 or 96 octane according to the dyno results you had. But the car makes it drive like what a sports car should. So instead of advising people no to get the mod if they have 91oct at all. I think a better way to phrase it according to your opinion would be "Don't do it if 91 oct is the only fuel you'll be using and the only thing you're looking for is HP gains".

The upgrade does more than HP gains as you stated so there still are other reasons to purchase it even if you may not be able to use it to your full potential.

According to the information you've provided.

I know you spoke with Phil direct and I spoke with you. But I swapped a few emails with you back and forth. This is the last email sent to you which was never replied to.

"Denys,

Haven't had a chance to open the dynos yet. Sorry the results weren't what you were expecting. I have 2 other customers that will be doing dyno's soon. If their results are different then yours then maybe something was overlooked and it can be sent in for a retune or inspection.

Your original review of the Eurotek seemed to be positive. Although you weren't happy with the dyno it seems the below as quoted was a good review.

"throttle response: superb, doesn't drag
gear change: still rough between 6.5-8K rpm but smooth under 5K.
ignition timing: did not shake at high rev and speed (more psychological than factual)
tubi: dampened at start and lower revs but gets louder at around 4K which originally had almost no sound when in 5th and 6th gear."

If you're wanting to return it back to stock you would be losing the above. As curiosity because of the dyno #'s do you feel as if you're not getting your moneys worth? Is it the moral? I'm just curious because I'd hate to resort to tuning it back to stock. I'm willing to do anything reasonable to keep the upgrade.

I got an email forwarded back from Piscal over at Eurotek. This is not word by word because the guy doesn't speak great English so it's been edited to where it's understandable.

____________________________________________________________

I manipulate the mass air flow temperature sensor. This is for when you are actually driving and air is being forced into the intake.

On the dyno there is no airflow it is restrictive and the heat retards the timing.


Building a program to make the results look good on a dyno won't yield the same practicality and smoothness on the street.

_____________________________________________________________

I'm aware you've also been taking to Phil I spoke with him yesterday, I haven't talked to him today. If you guys have already worked something out then just disregard my email.

Regards,
Kevin"

I still have it saved in my sent folder. After that I never received an email back from you. I guess I could have attempted to contact you again. But short of that I'm not sure what else I could have done.

If you replied back to me telling me you wanted a refund. I would have refunded you as soon as Phil got the ECU back. The only thing I wouldn't refund is the shipping costs, but you'd still get the money you spent on the unit back. Any customer has 2 weeks to return the unit if they are not happy. But they will need to contact me and not Phil and talk to me unless Phil has decided to work something out with them. The reason being that you bought the unit from me. I am in charge of refunding your money because I'm the one that collected it.

I hope that explains the mishap and again apologies for any problems you had. It still seems from your posts that you're happy with your unit. The only thing you're not happy with is that Eurotek didn't say that results may vary from 91 to 93 octane. When I post the official groupbuy thread assuming we have enough interest for one, I will make sure to notify all 91 octane customers that we had a customer out in CA that did not achieve the dyno results he was expecting compared to the 93.

Regards,
Kevin
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
835 Posts
wow...that was a long post...

Yes, the car drives different and certain characteristics have improved but what kbrookings and STARDOC going after are numbers, hard facts. Dyno's don't lie, of course there are accurate ones and inaccurate ones but having done it twice i believe I can very well say Don't do it!
Kevin, I have nothing against you. In fact, I appreciate the effort and that was the reason why I gave up the idea of sending the ECU back while involving you in the middle. Shooting the messenger just isn't how I operate. Once again, Eurotek should be candid about what they can and cannot achieve with the mod. I'm quoting this from Phil's email.

"Yes 91 octane programs are limited and also you do not have an aggressive race program. If that was what you wanted it would have cost you $2495 to $3000. Race applications were not part of the group buy. Also do not let dyno numbers disappoint you if your happy with the way the car performs.
We can spend more time on it but it will cost more per hour."

How typical. Buy more expensive stuff to get what they really advertised, discounted stuff don’t work as well. Why didn’t they say so from the get-go. I suppose as long as I feel my car is producing 5000HP then it is okay for me to be the sucker. Here is the kicker, mind you, Phil had already conceded that the 91 octane programs are limited in the message above but sends me another email telling how bad the dyno result was.

"I reviewed the charts whoever ran the dyno made significant looses as they shifted gears. Look at the drops, this motor loose power so easily in between gears it needs to be kept in the higher RPM band for consistency
Lastly the end result for this car should be in 4th gear not 5th or 6th ever."

Seriously, which gear is the 1:1 on our cars?

Anyway, I give the mod an A for the drivability but F for the performance. Of course, if anyone's willing to put additives in their fuel tank that would eventually leave a thin film on the fuel injector then go for the 93 programs. Or get 96 or 100 octane at 9 bucks a gallon. Once again, machines don't lie.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
835 Posts
RQ said:
I'm probably ignorant here, but is it really possible that 2 octane points make that big a difference?
To me it was a huge change, variables being a GS and 93...
http://dinancars.com/whitepapersFile.asp?ID=9

in the example, the max power is reduced by 4% switching from 93 to 91. I assume the loss could be greater on bigger engines.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
681 Posts
Discussion Starter #17
haha said:
wow...that was a long post...

Yes, the car drives different and certain characteristics have improved but what kbrookings and STARDOC going after are numbers, hard facts. Dyno's don't lie, of course there are accurate ones and inaccurate ones but having done it twice i believe I can very well say Don't do it!
Kevin, I have nothing against you. In fact, I appreciate the effort and that was the reason why I gave up the idea of sending the ECU back while involving you in the middle. Shooting the messenger just isn't how I operate. Once again, Eurotek should be candid about what they can and cannot achieve with the mod. I'm quoting this from Phil's email.

"Yes 91 octane programs are limited and also you do not have an aggressive race program. If that was what you wanted it would have cost you $2495 to $3000. Race applications were not part of the group buy. Also do not let dyno numbers disappoint you if your happy with the way the car performs.
We can spend more time on it but it will cost more per hour."

How typical. Buy more expensive stuff to get what they really advertised, discounted stuff don’t work as well. Why didn’t they say so from the get-go. I suppose as long as I feel my car is producing 5000HP then it is okay for me to be the sucker. Here is the kicker, mind you, Phil had already conceded that the 91 octane programs are limited in the message above but sends me another email telling how bad the dyno result was.

"I reviewed the charts whoever ran the dyno made significant looses as they shifted gears. Look at the drops, this motor loose power so easily in between gears it needs to be kept in the higher RPM band for consistency
Lastly the end result for this car should be in 4th gear not 5th or 6th ever."

Seriously, which gear is the 1:1 on our cars?

Anyway, I give the mod an A for the drivability but F for the performance. Of course, if anyone's willing to put additives in their fuel tank that would eventually leave a thin film on the fuel injector then go for the 93 programs. Or get 96 or 100 octane at 9 bucks a gallon. Once again, machines don't lie.

Understood. We've had customers who have been happy with the performance as has Eurotek. They tuned over 89 Maserati's last year to my knowledge.

Again a FULL refund is available to anyone who isn't happy and they have two weeks to claim it. If you want a refund, even 4 months later Phil has agreed to give you one if you're not happy with the performance. He doesn't want people who are not happy with the unit running it.

I have the option to sell other ECU services but in my opinion there is a reason why multiple Ferrari dealerships offer Eurotek and many race teams run their systems in their cars.

Regards,
Kevin
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
390 Posts
Being that California is the only state (to my knowledge) that has 91 octane hi-test (instead of 92 and 93 in others), most manufacturers design their cars to meet the 50-state requirement (91 octane) and most ecu / "chip" companies design their products to make use of the extra kick available with the stronger fuel (93). That's where they get a good deal of the horsepower from. So if you're in CA and can only get 91 (like us), ECU mods are generally a waste of money because the ignition will just be retarded back anyways -- unless you can get one that was specifically designed for 91 octane. Those generally don't have spectacular results, as the manufacturers designed it to run on 91 in the first place.
 
1 - 18 of 18 Posts
About this Discussion
17 Replies
7 Participants
squid
Maserati Forum
We’re a forum to discuss the Maserati Coupé, Spyder, GranTurismo, Ghibli, Quattroporte and more!
Full Forum Listing
Top