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I'm looking seriously at an '04 w/ 31k miles. The dealer wants $47k. I think the car should be more like $43k.

Thoughts ?

Here's what I know. Skyhook Suspension, GPS Navigation, Xenon Lights, Full Brier Wood Interior Trim, Leather Headliner, Dual Power Heated Front Seats, Chrome Front Grill, Custom Dashboard, Piping & Stitching, Powered HiFi Sound System, Nuvol Gray, Sella Leather, new clutch and 1 owner, clean car fax.

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Prices ? '02s vs '04's ??

See: http://www.maseratilife.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3266

Price would seem a little high, based on those miles.

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Thanks, I was looking at that post which is what is giving me second thoughts on the '04 I'm considering. The dealer came down $400 and will not budge off that - he's at $46.5 and the car has 31k miles with relatively new brakes, tires and clutch and is a 1 owner. Just thinking that if I pulled the trigger at that price, is she likely to drop $10k within a year or so ?

If so, maybe the '02's in the $30's are a better deal at this time ?
 

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Very pretty car , love the color and equipment combo. The price is what you would like to pay,and if you really want the car. If you are only concerned with resale ,it's probably best to look at a different make of car. I would still would try for a Coupe GT if you can find one. But that's just me.
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Ramp,
Very pretty car , love the color and equipment combo. The price is what you would like to pay,and if you really want the car. If you are only concerned with resale ,it's probably best to look at a different make of car. I would still would try for a Coupe GT if you can find one. But that's just me.
Ron:)
Thanks for the feedback - now that I've driven the F1, I sort of like having the option to put it in auto from time to time - no worries if I had 1 to many at dinner since my wife can then drive home.

I am concerned somewhat with resale only b/c I do tend to buy every 1-2 years and I still have my '99 911. With Porsche, you generally know the values and where they are and will be going - your never going to loose much and a good Porsche - only when you buy one new or close to new. Maserati is a whole different ballgame and I just want to make sure that I'm not overpaying. Paying market is fine but I see a significant swing in prices. I see some lower and some much higher, very few have miles in the 30's plus so I don't know where it will be when it hits 40k.

Oh well, decision time.
 

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Can't help on real dollars but...

I had a BoxsterS and really liked it. Where I live is surrounded by fun roads so I had lots of opportunity to drive it hard. After a while though I realized it had 2 serious problems: coming out of corners the Porsche didn't have the horsepower to keep up with the rice rockets it had just out-cornered and on a trip of any distance the suspension wore me out. I spent quite a bit more money and got my Maserati Spyder GT and haven't quit smiling. I push the Sport Button and it takes the curves as well as the BoxsterS (maybe a bit better) and when I floor it I think I've touched off a bomb rather than an engine. The rice rockets don't stand a chance. Then on a trip or the interstate I take it out of Sport mode and I all of sudden I'm driving a superior Grand Touring car. My point is that if you have to pay a bit more then it's worth it just for the grin on your face. :) :) :)
 

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I had a BoxsterS and really liked it. Where I live is surrounded by fun roads so I had lots of opportunity to drive it hard. After a while though I realized it had 2 serious problems: coming out of corners the Porsche didn't have the horsepower to keep up with the rice rockets it had just out-cornered and on a trip of any distance the suspension wore me out. I spent quite a bit more money and got my Maserati Spyder GT and haven't quit smiling. I push the Sport Button and it takes the curves as well as the BoxsterS (maybe a bit better) and when I floor it I think I've touched off a bomb rather than an engine. The rice rockets don't stand a chance. Then on a trip or the interstate I take it out of Sport mode and I all of sudden I'm driving a superior Grand Touring car. My point is that if you have to pay a bit more then it's worth it just for the grin on your face. :) :) :)
Thanks alot, this helps. I love my 911 and think the handling is fantastic - it's at home on twisties but, like you, after a long drive or just tooling around town, my bones start to ache - and I'm still 'relatively young at 40'. I want something that I can have tons of fun with when the opportunities present themselves and then kick back on a weekend getaway or tooling around town.

If he came down another 2 grand, I would pull the trigger.
 

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Skyhook Suspension, GPS Navigation, Xenon Lights, Full Brier Wood Interior Trim, Leather Headliner, Dual Power Heated Front Seats, Chrome Front Grill, Custom Dashboard, Piping & Stitching, Powered HiFi Sound System, Nuvol Gray, Sella Leather, new clutch and 1 owner, clean car fax.
It appears the car is fully loaded. I have seen a few '04's with a bit lower asking price - but those cars were strippers or low optioned cars. Is there any warranty left? That would sway me over a 02/03 cheaper priced car.

...he's at $46.5 and the car has 31k miles with relatively new brakes, tires and clutch and is a 1 owner
It appears that the owner kept up with his maintenance - this would be a better car versus a $45K car with 20K miles that is due a $6000 bill in clutch, brakes, and tires.

very few have miles in the 30's plus so I don't know where it will be when it hits 40k.
No one can really answer that one - it is obvious that modern Masers are still depreciating. So if that is the deal breaker, then keep looking. Don't second guess yourself to death. The right one will come along sooner or later.
 

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Thanks, I was looking at that post which is what is giving me second thoughts on the '04 I'm considering. The dealer came down $400 and will not budge off that - he's at $46.5 and the car has 31k miles with relatively new brakes, tires and clutch and is a 1 owner. Just thinking that if I pulled the trigger at that price, is she likely to drop $10k within a year or so ?

If so, maybe the '02's in the $30's are a better deal at this time ?
No way. Go for the '04 and love it.
 

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If the car is clean that seems like a good price ($46.5k) as is. Given the new clutch, tires and brakes, the mileage really isn't an issue.

(but of course budget for an F1 pump replacement)
 

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If the car is clean that seems like a good price ($46.5k) as is. Given the new clutch, tires and brakes, the mileage really isn't an issue.

(but of course budget for an F1 pump replacement)
Well, I'm going to drive 150 miles in the morning to go take a look !!
 

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- if it's the right one, you'll know. if it's not, then price will be your primary concern, instead of secondary. by next year, the price will be lower...that you can count on. these aren't investments unless it's a classic (which someday it may become...). good luck!
 

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Love the car, but . . . and my learning experience

:) Thanks to all for the assistance to date (couple of posts) related to narrowing down what to buy, options and prices.:)

I test drove my 4th Coupe today - 1 GT and 3 CC's. The GT and 1 CC where '02's for $35,000 both with around 30k miles. Both showed wear - more wear than normal for a 30k mile car - let alone a Maserati that you would have expected to have been taken better car of . . . my '99 911 is in significantly better shape than these '02's from dealers - yes, they are on-online for the high $30's - if your looking at them and want some detail, pm me.

Both '04's were in vastly better condition, both priced at approx. $47,000, 1 with 20k miles and one with 30.7k miles. The lower mileage car is great and would sell for less than the higher mileage car that I drove today -- will get to this). However, although the blue exterior has grown on me, the interior is blue/gray and although in good condition, just doesn't excite me. So, I pass.

Now, the one that I started this post on and my test drive today.

1. I drove this car (a CC) much more than the others and really started to understand how to drive this car and understand the drivetrain. I think its an acquired taste, one that I think I can fully learn to love - and fully understand why others won't ever like - it's a matter of expectation, i.e, this is not an automatic, it's a manual with a computer controlled, hydraulic operated clutch and gear selector - plain and simple - a very different animal from both an automatic and a manual. I love manual's and fully appreciate automatics and NOW look forward to learning how to properly drive an F1.

2. The car checked out VERY nicely. A few minor light surface scratches, a few small rock chips up front, very very light wear on the front drivers seat, clean rims, etc.

3. Car handled well, drove well, sounded great.

4. The issues: (1) In the first 5 minutes of our drive (I believe in an uphill climb at 25-35 MPH), the traction/stability control system "locked up" . We didn't know what happened but the car started to brake itself as if the ABS and Traction was kicking in. The MSP light on the dash was blinking. After the second time, we turned her off, restarted and that was that. ANY IDEAS ?
(2) All said, (I'm ready ?) (was ready ?) to buy this car, then after we returned to the dealer and parked it outside, in the sun, I noticed that the passenger side door color was slightly off !! I asked the dealer what he thought and he agreed. I believe it was a surprise to him as well. But after looking, neither of us could really find any evidence that the door had been painted, but it was now evident that it had been - once you noticed the difference, your eye's could spot it easily. We then checked the paint levels and found that it was in deed higher than other areas. He doesn't think there is any bondy and we are "speculating" that it was a repaint from something like a keying issue.

Anyway, we talked and they came down another $500 to $46 (from $46,900) - not much - and agreed to have it repainted to be perfect.


I obviously needed to think about this, so here I am. But for these 2 issues (primarily the paint), I would have bought it today. The MSP doesn't concern me too much since the warranty goes through April 30, 2008.

Input appreciated.
 

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I would do a search on the dealer's name in either Ferrarichat or Rennlist.
From what I have read, this is not the first time they were "surprised" by a repaint.
 

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ramp, as i gave you my take ... i would want my car to be perfect (whether brand new or old ... i have an older car from 1989 and i spent an entire year trying to find it in that condition ... as soon as i found it, i bought it immediately).

the cars you are looking at are 2002 and up ... no need at all to buy one that you have to keep second guessing and/or is already painted for whatever reason. but that's me ... i try to remove emotions (which can get carried away when driving such a fantastic car) when making these kinds of decisions. having said that, maybe this is the one for you ... you will know. best of luck...
 

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I would do a search on the dealer's name in either Ferrarichat or Rennlist.
From what I have read, this is not the first time they were "surprised" by a repaint.
Fred - thanks, I did the searches and found some positive and some not, but nothing major. Do you know the dealer I'm speaking with ?

Slycy - your right on about controlling emotions. The car seems to be right but I think the repaint may bother me, especially since I'm not getting any special deal - another 5-7k off, may chnage that view, but that's not going to happen as they have barely moved, knowing the issues we now have and knowing they have a ready willing and able buyer - who just drove 300 plus miles roundtrip.
 

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Nothing solid, I just get a bad vibe.
I get the feeling that they are rebuilding or refurbishing damaged cars, as opposed to finding primo used cars.

I read the carfax on the car, and I have my concerns about carfax in general.
While I feel carfax can confirm a bad car, they can not confirm a good car.
 

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FWIW, I'd rather have a car with a couple of paint blemishes than any repaint. The electrical issue is also a troubling one. I say patience is a virtue.
 

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FWIW, I'd rather have a car with a couple of paint blemishes than any repaint. The electrical issue is also a troubling one. I say patience is a virtue.
Agreed - I'm going to pass. Keep me posted if anyone comes across something nice !
 
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