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Hello All,

Long time lurker and new member.

Unfortunately my first post surrounds troubling news I received from the dealer regarding my 2006 GS Spyder. I have owned this Spyder for 12 years and no problems to speak of. I was religious about yearly service and maintenance. She only has 14,000 miles and is only driven during the summer.

I took her in for annual service recently (dealership) as I do each April and just learned that the tech said there is a leak from the front engine and valve covers. Said it is a slight leak and dripping onto the exhaust. Estimate to repair came in at $9k. I almost threw up in my mouth.

Once I regained my composure, I politely refused proceeding with the recommended repair. Was told that while it is not currently urgent and safe to drive, it will only continue to get worse. I only drive the car 500-1k miles/year.

Questions:

1. Less than 1k miles since the last service when no mention was made of a leak, is it likely such leaks could develop since then and with so little total mileage?
2. How best to confirm the precense of such leaks? I do have access to a friend's lift.
3. Should I take it to an independent for a "second opinion"? I have had my Spyder serviced at this dealer for 12 years and they have always been good to me. There have been some personnel changes since my last visit.
4. Thoughts on the $9k estimate to repair? That seems insane to me, but I was told it's mostly labor (with $1,900 for parts).

Absolutely gutted over this with the prospect of having to pay so much for a car that likely is only worth around $30k (almost 1/3 its value for a single repair).

Thanks.
 
$9k is nuts. So is $1900 in parts.

Valve cover gasket set when I bought was about $140 (both covers and all spark plug holes).

Front timing cover gasket is about $50 last time I looked.

What else are they replacing for the other $1700. It really should be almost all labour.


Mine has been seeping for 3 years and counting now. Hasn’t improved but also hasn’t gotten any worse. I live with it till it gets bad.

Miles and maintenance has nothing to do with it. It’s just age and the rubber going hard.

How much is it leaking onto the floor below? Or is it just “damp” around the covers.


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OP, do you have a written estimate to understand exactly what they are proposing. As @tulit mentioned $1,700 in parts alone suggests much more than the valve cover gaskets.

Regardless, it appears that best route is to go independent for a second opinion and more economical repairs.
 
Said it was a slight leak and then says it's leaking at two points
Common problem leaking from the valve covers and is doable at home, I'm sure there must be a thread on here or Sports Maserati on a 'How to'.
I might be wrong but sounds too coincidental to be leaking in two places. You want to wean yourself off going to a main dealer every year .
My money is on them trying it on, the only thing that might cause more leakage than normal is the lack of use, gaskets and seals drying up but I can't see it tbh, just a leaky cam cover is my guess.
 
The lower part of the timing cover on my 4200 was leaking slightly when I bought it. I loosened the screws and re tightened them and the problem is reduced to the point that I never see a drip on the floor. But I do need to wipe the oil off the screw heads a couple of times a year.
 
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Thanks for everyone's replies.

I have not received a line item accounting for the estimate yet (car is still there). I was told the parts include thermostat, plugs, plug sleeves, gaskets, and bolts/etc.

To clarify (and confirm), they are saying there is a slight leak at the front engine cover and the cam cover.

It was suggested that the low miles may have contributed to the gaskets drying out. I checked on the garage floor and did not notice any oil (admittedly, I just brought her out of winter hibernation and the first time driving it was to the dealership).
 
The front cover leak repair is quite time consuming but valve covers a straight forward DIY.

As you suggest get it in the air to have a proper look or just a mirror around the valve covers, take it no oil being dropped as you would have already noticed that before the service? Maybe something you can monitor and continue to use it.

Definitely not a 9k repair if that’s all that’s quoted
 
Thanks for everyone's replied.

I have not received a line item accounting for the estimate yet (car is still there). I was told the parts include thermostat, plugs, plug sleeves, gaskets, and bolts/etc.

To clarify (and confirm), they are saying there is a slight leak at the front engine cover and the cam cover.

It was suggested that the low miles may have contributed to the gaskets drying out. I checked on the garage floor and did not notice any oil (admittedly, I just brought her out of winter hibernation and the first time driving it was to the dealership).
Get them to send you a video walk around of the issue
 
Here's the simple way that works. The cam covers have a stupid design that is essentially an O ring. The heat hardens the rubber and it leaks. So put in new valve cover gaskets, but add high temp silicone sealant in the channels. It's a fairly easy job. The front engine cover is a conventional flat gasket. I used a solvent (Varsol) to clean where the two faces hold the gasket. I then applied a film on high temp sealant. Did this about 6 years ago and no leaks at all.
 
+1 on all that has been said so far.
The only thing that I can think of that might bring the price to 9k, is if they are planning to replace the harmonic balancer during the front cover gasket replacement. Those are pricey, and might be damaged during cover removal. If you go down a front cover gasket replacement route, be sure to check the oil/coolant pump drive and chain, and the cam chain guides.
14k miles are low, and things are probably ok, but won't hurt to check.
Good luck, and let us know what happens.

Also, always great to hear from a new (old) 4200 owner. 12 years is a long time to keep a car, if you feel like it, please let us know what your ownership experience has been so far.
 
I have a similar issue on my 2012 QP5 with 73,000 miles. I occasionally smell the burning oil, though the whiffs tend to be brief. Chicago area Mas dealer that I have a relationship with quoted a price much lower than what you quoted, but still quite high relative to my research work on this forum. I've reached out to two Indies, one of which is recommended on this forum, the other of which I have a customer relationship for over 30 years and is completely trusted by me. Spoke by phone to the former, and visited the shop of the latter. Both said they would get back to me. Nadda yet. I think the Mas dealer and local techs have all the work they can handle. I've heard good techs are in short supply these days. I think it is premium pricing given current circumstances.
 
You are not seeing oil drips on floor or a lot of dirty oil on the engine, right? You can buy a lot of oil for $9k. You might slightly tighten all bolts (as previously mentioned) and then monitor. If it gets worse, look into a reputable independent shop.
 
You are not seeing oil drips on floor or a lot of dirty oil on the engine, right? You can buy a lot of oil for $9k. You might slightly tighten all bolts (as previously mentioned) and then monitor. If it gets worse, look into a reputable independent shop.
The way the cam covers are designed, tightening the bolts will achieve nothing (except perhaps break the bolts). Read my earlier post here.
 
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