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Why is it that when I google "Maserati hybrid" the only recent link I get for this **HUGE** story is the one above from a site I've never heard of? Though I know it's March I actually thought for a second that it might be April 1st.

If it's official, as that report claims, I'd enjoy a link to a source which is a bit more official.
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Why is it that when I google "Maserati hybrid" the only recent link I get for this **HUGE** story is the one above from a site I've never heard of? Though I know it's March I actually thought for a second that it might be April 1st.

If it's official, as that report claims, I'd enjoy a link to a source which is a bit more official.
I Googled it too and immediately found these other stories. I saw this story and thought is was worth posting here but it seems you are more intent on killing the messenger than talking about whether it could possibly be true. Does having to meet stricter CAFE standards make it more plausible? :

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My post wasn't the least bit concerned with the messenger - purely interested in the legitimacy of the story, but more than that it was a question: why is such big news unreported? Those other two articles aren't following the same thread, which, in the case of the first article, is Harald essentially damning the electric car concept, nor do they suggest that hybrids will proliferate across the lineup. The first article combines the two, clearly suggesting that Harald is damning his company's chosen path, which, if true, is *huge* news. Petrol heads would find this highly interesting yet it's almost nowhere to be found outside of insideevs, a site I'm entirely unfamiliar with. Naturally, we'd have to question the story. Online blogs have a habit of drawing fantastic conclusions and connecting distant dots for the sake of generating interest in their site. My question was (in a nutshell): is that what this site is doing? If not, who else is reporting it?
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My post wasn't the least bit concerned with the messenger - purely interested in the legitimacy of the story, but more than that it was a question: why is such big news unreported? Those other two articles aren't following the same thread, which, in the case of the first article, is Harald essentially damning the electric car concept, nor do they suggest that hybrids will proliferate across the lineup. The first article combines the two, clearly suggesting that Harald is damning his company's chosen path, which, if true, is *huge* news. Petrol heads would find this highly interesting yet it's almost nowhere to be found outside of insideevs, a site I'm entirely unfamiliar with. Naturally, we'd have to question the story. Online blogs have a habit of drawing fantastic conclusions and connecting distant dots for the sake of generating interest in their site. My question was (in a nutshell): is that what this site is doing? If not, who else is reporting it?
All of the stories say basically the same thing whether you give credence to the site that is reporting it or not: Maserati is working on a hybrid in order to meet stricter CAFE standards. And Harald, the CEO of Maserati doesn't like the idea of using hybrid technology but reluctantly admits they will probably have to (quote below):

"It looks like something we will have to, but the only reason to do it is to meet regulations. We don't see it as a significant business.

All this discussion about zero emissions is nonsense. Nobody talks about the efficiency of how the battery is charged. It varies strongly from region to region, depending on how the energy is produced, nuclear, coal and so on, but even the best is not ahead of the internal combustion engine.

Diesel and CNG are the more obvious answers if CO2 is the focus. Both are more viable answers than hybrid. If they gave us a CO2 target instead of imposing technology then we would go that way.

If we want a realistic solution to emissions then the regulators need to be more honest in how they calculate emissions. Electric cars are not the answer."

I can understand you taking issue if I posted a link to a story titled: "Maserati to debut flying car in 2017", but these stories make perfect sense when you consider all that the exotic manufacturers are already doing to meet the stricter CAFE requirements i.e. V6 Turbos in lieu of NA V8's, and especially some form of hybrid electric propulsion .

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The forum doesn't allow politics or religion so I'll try to stay in-bounds here, but passion has ensured that neither side of the argument will be 100% honest (to be kind let's say "accurate") about their research so an aggregate, formed from all data, is about the best we can expect. Then there's the interpretation of that data. Then there's the incredible power of Special Interests. Then the media spin (in both directions). Etc., etc., etc. It's no surprise that these issues lose to molasses in a leg race.
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The forum doesn't allow politics or religion so I'll try to stay in-bounds here, but passion has ensured that neither side of the argument will be 100% honest (to be kind let's say "accurate") about their research so an aggregate, formed from all data, is about the best we can expect. Then there's the interpretation of that data. Then there's the incredible power of Special Interests. Then the media spin (in both directions). Etc., etc., etc. It's no surprise that these issues lose to molasses in a leg race.
Instead of obfuscating the topic at hand with replies like that, how about just answering this simple question: Why do you feel that the possibility that Maserati could be working on a hybrid is fodder for an April Fools joke? Especially when you consider those were actual quotes from the CEO of Maserati?

I'm sure that you realize how manufacturers deal with CAFE rules; they build a high mileage car, such as a Ford Escort, to compensate for the lower mpg cars like the F-150. So it makes perfect sense to add a hybrid in their line-up, and since they now have several models to choose from,(unlike the other exotic car companies) the Ghibli is the obvious choice.

And speaking of exotic car companies, wouldn't we all think it was a joke if I said a few years ago that Ferrari, McLaren and Porsche were all working on a hybrid model?

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I'll just say that 2nd post covers it adequately and without obfuscation. Beyond that I'm uninterested in making this benign topic personal.
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I'll just say that 2nd post covers it adequately and without obfuscation. Beyond that I'm uninterested in making this benign topic personal.
Take it easy fella, he has a point. A little moderation might not be amiss.

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I'll just say that 2nd post covers it adequately and without obfuscation. Beyond that I'm uninterested in making this benign topic personal.
At what point it become personal?

You're just ending it because you don't want to admit that you're wrong. I posted a link which you immediately dismissed because the source didn't meet your specifications as legitimate and you also couldn't find any other mentions with a Google search. Then I quickly find two more.

Then you say the whole idea of Maserati of working on a hybrid is an April fools joke. I supply quotes where the CEO of Maserati admits to having to build one to meet CAFE requirements. And I also point out that three other marques in Maserati's league already do produce hybrids which further bolsters the assertion .

Then I ask you a simple question: Why you think that it's so absurd that Maserati could possibly be working on a hybrid ?, but instead of answering, because the answer might just be admitting that you may be wrong, you bow out because you think this is getting personal, which it is not.

And you know what, I could care less whether or not Maserati is building a hybrid. What I take issue with is that I post a story that I think might be interesting to other members and you immediately reject it as an April Fools joke rather than reasonably discus whether it could possibly be true or not. You are right in that this topic was benign. At least it was until you turned it into the tete-a-tete that it didn't have to become .

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Do you have a vested interest in that article? I have to ask because there's simply no reason to get upset about this yet it's clearly a personal thread for you as the above post illustrates. The topic, to me, is benign - I have no dog in the fight - and if earlier I steered clear of your personal questions - instead pointing to a previous response - I did so to avoid fueling that fire and because the post contained the answers to your question.

In my 2nd post I meant, but perhaps failed, to show that, in my opinion (we're still entitled to those), the questionable angle of that first article is the correlation of Harald's previous disdain for electrics and any recent comments about the path of Maserati. The article suggests that he's currently "unexcited" about his company's strategy. That's a way to get fired. It seems that the article is grafting several-year-old quotes into a present-day article about future models. Naturally, that's standing on questionable ground. Hence my questions.

This thread began with a link and no additional context. Sans the heading, I set off in the direction I chose. If you'd like to discuss another angle, that's great and I'm all for it, but what's that angle? This thread has become entirely tangential and, yes, personal. I'm sorry that you're unhappy about the questions I've raised, and you don't have to address them. It's your topic - where would you like it to go?
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