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Hmmmm 2009 with F1 or 2011 MC sportline?

Can't decide which one to get! Found the PERFECT looking 2011 Sportline.Everything just the way I want it. Soooo sexy. Exactly what I want. Low miles. Perfect color combo.

However I think the F1 would be a more fun/engaging experience. I had a 2010 M5 with SMG which I really enjoyed and I think the F1 may be similar to that tranny. It seems like there's a premium for these cars these days however although probably around the same price as the 2011.

Anyway, any thoughts board?

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tough call. if maintenance is a concern and a lot of drivin planned may be the 2011 is better. if fun the the goal over cost the F1 is better (if experience is similar to other robotized manual trani).
over time i would think the F1 will be more searched if that matters but a GT is no collectible, it does not have the hallmarks for it. just a very nice exotics a step up over the typical Audi, AMG BMWs and porsche.
At the end of the day i think what matters most in this choice is conditions.
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I would say it would depend on the type of driving you plan to do: if you see yourself going to the supermarket, picking kids up from school or slow commuting avoid the F1 because it is awful in these scenarios. The clunky BMW SMG is 5 years ahead in ability ( I have had both). The F1 is wonderful (better than the BMW) at 7/10 to 10/10 on clear roads or a track: hard, fast shifts, combined with the wonderful maser sound.

If you plan on day to day domestic use go for the auto, enjoy the maser sound, and actually be able to park without looking like a fool!

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azapa - can you or others elaborate on the F1 driving experience? I am in the same boat - considering a 2009 GTS with F1 or something more sedan-like. I test drove an F1 and had no issues with slow driving or parking. I get that the car really hits its stride on the open road but is it really not suitable as a DD, dropping off kids, running errands, etc? Why so?

One observation - most of the cars on the market are very low miles but have changed hands at least two sometimes four times, which suggests disatisfied owners.

Any insights would be very much appreciated. Thanks.
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beng - fist the low miles issue vs lots of owners: most people I think buy these as second cars for weekend fun, not DD. Especially maybe the first 2 or 3 owners. Also, realizing how beautiful these things are, makes it hard to park them in a multi story "door bash" carpark. All in my case, anyway.

Secondly, the F1: here I must declare a little ignorance as to what box a 2009 F1 GTS has, I don't really know if it the same as my 2013 stradale. At least, for sure, the software is different. My stradale (and the other one I tested before buying this) is awful in 1, 2, and R - low speed gears that a clutch and a nicely weighted left foot - or autobox - would handle perfectly. When cold especially it jolts and judders back or forward. Backing into my garage is a series of jolts. Leaving the drive on a cold morning, the same.

On the other hand, on the highway at 100 and down shifting two gears, nailing it, upshifiting at redline, is a superb Formula 1 experience.

I am happy with the trade off.

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By all accounts the Ferrari F1 system in the GT is way ahead of BMW's SMG.

I have the F1 and love it, much more raw feeling and almost like a manual. It's the same exact transmission as the Ferrari 599 GTB ('Superfast'), and upgraded from the one in the F430.

If you're used to driving automatics, don't get it. It's not an automatic despite having an 'auto' mode. The shifts are very jerky and slow in auto mode. Your passenger will hate it. If you prefer manual cars then by all means go for the F1.
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I have owned a 2009 GTS F1 for 2 years, driven it for 65.000 Km (no clutch change, only 20% worn-off during that time) and I can say was totally satisfied and will get another GT SPORT F1 for sure!!

The jolts and judders azapa reports when cold has less to do with the transmission and more to do with calibration of the carburetor -or lack there-off. To avoid this, simply turn-on the ignition and wait for the lights on the dashboard to turn-off (typically 2-3 secs) and then start the car after that!. Butter smooth drive-offs forward or backwards at low speed guaranteed!

In fact, I drove the car everyday of the year - literally!- and to all places around Europe! Passengers never complaint!. They were all excited and full of grins - even before seeing me arriving.

I drove the car on auto mode for only about 10 kms or so (same for normal mode) just to try it out at the start of the ownership. I never drove the car in those modes again afterwards and always drove it in MANUAL-SPORT mode -that's the way it's meant to be driven!. Sheer driving pleasure in the true sense of the word - totally engaging and very rewarding. Never got bored or tired of it. It was simply amazing to drive everyday and under all conditions.

I do not understand why people complain about this car's F1 transmission.

I haven't driven the Automatic version of the car but just listening to its sound signature I know it is not for me. It doesn't come close to the intoxicating sounds of the cars with the F1 tranny which is extremely enjoyable from 0 - 60 km/h (normal city driving) already. The Automatic version has a different engine ignition timing -hence the difference in sound footprint- and is nowhere close to visceral experience of the F1 tranny.

Fully recommend the car in F1 configuration without any reservations!.
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Great info thanks everyone. Man I had decided to go with the Auto as I live in a city and do mostly city driving...and then along comes Peterson with that glowing review of the F1! Thanks a lot!

I wasn't aware the sound was different between F1 and Auto. The MC sportline S package has the sport button to alter the sound so I thought it was pretty much the same.

Anyway thanks again for all the input. Very tough call!

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Here's the sound from my stock 2009 GTS F1.

I love the crackles and pops whenever I lift or shift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmiryem0XJw
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Here's the sound from my stock 2009 GTS F1.

I love the crackles and pops whenever I lift or shift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmiryem0XJw
Wow great video! Sounds fantastic.

A question on the F1...when coming to a stop does it automatically downshift for you if you don't? Say you're in 3rd gear. Come to a stoplight but never downshift just brake. Does it stay in 3rd or will it downshift to 1st before you take off again?

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Wow great video! Sounds fantastic.

A question on the F1...when coming to a stop does it automatically downshift for you if you don't? Say you're in 3rd gear. Come to a stoplight but never downshift just brake. Does it stay in 3rd or will it downshift to 1st before you take off again?

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YES it does downshift even in manual/sport/race. But it is more fun (and more theater) to do it a little bit earlier than the software decides. If you do it too early you will hit the rev limiter (but yes, it WILL let you).

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YES it does downshift even in manual/sport/race. But it is more fun (and more theater) to do it a little bit earlier than the software decides. If you do it to early you will hit the rev limiter (but yes, it WILL let you).
Great thanks! Sounds similar to the BMW SMG. I'm thinking the F1 is the way to go although there sure seems to be a premium on them right now!

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If you are in USA the F1 transmission only comes with 2009 year model which there were only 300 ever made. It will shift in 100 millisecond if you are in manual mode and high RPM. For the euro version F1 they upgrade the transmission to achieve 60 millisecond shift in later years.
For the exhaust sound the F1 is a little bit different since different engine ignition timing that Peterson mentioned. The mufflers are exactly the same parts that have the valves inside so when you hit the sport button the valve will open to give you more volume. The cats are a little bit different shape to accommodate the F1 transmission but purely cosmetic.
The only drawback of F1 is the maintenance cost since you need to replace the clutch which may cost a significant amount $$$. As for the Auto you probably would never need to replace that.
Talking about the MC sportline it's basically the cosmetic trim. Mechanically it's totally the same compare to the same year GTS. It will offer you a lot of carbon fiber trims like front splitters, rear spoiler, back mirror case, door handles, door sills and interior trims along with gloss black painted tips for the mufflers. That's also a lot of money if you add the MC trim options by yourself. For example the rear spoiler itself is over 2K, steering wheel 2k+, front splitter 1k each, mirror case 1k+ etc.
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Thanks for the info ZZJ. Good stuff.

Basically comes down to all the extras on the sportline or the F1 tranny. I think I'm leaning towards the F1.

There is one F1 with Sportline package for sale right now but it's going for 79k! That's crazy!



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Simply put... if you're a real driver and appreciate the true benefits of the F-1 system, you'll love the GTS F-1. If you're not as focused on driving / shifting performance, get the 2011 model, it is a near problem free car with a bit lower maintenance. They really are both excellent models so either way you should be happy but if you love that manual shift F-1 trans and come as a happy SMG owner, you'll appreciate the GT-S F-1

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