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10w60 oil for GT?

Hi, I know that folks are using the Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Euro 5w40 in their GTs. Is anyone using 10w60? If so, what brand, and what are your thoughts?

I see that FD says 10w60 is an "upgrade" oil, just curious if anyone has any NEGATIVE thoughts on using 10w60 in the GT.

I've also got a 2007 QP Exec, and I have many gallons of Pennzoil Ultra Racing 10w60 for that car, just wondering if I can use this oil for my 2012 GT MC as well. Thanks in advance.
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The Ferrari Spec 10W60 factory oil we can supply as an upgrade is above the factory spec for the GranTurismo. The 5W40 is the standard oil supplied by Maserati and what is supplied in our kit as well. It is a purpose built oil that Maserati used in the development of the engines and it's the oil they bet their warranty on.

The 10W60 oil is a Ferrari Spec oil used in their supercars. Being that we are here in Las Vegas and some owners here do run their cars even in the extreme summer out in the desert, it is recommended by many as better protection. Many of our customers that track their cars also prefer this spec.

We wouldn't say that it is required, it's just an option if you push your car a bit harder and are looking for superior protection.

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I don't my opinion to be taken as a "negative" on this oil option, just experience being shared. A quality 5w40 oil is perfectly competent in your engine. Having run this oil in cars that have seen dedicated track use, without excessive drain intervals and lab testing to verify the used condition of the oil, I give my opinion with data standing behind it.
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My independent mechanic recommended 15w 50 for the GTS . He prefers that to the 5w 40 and uses it his own Ferraris as well as all of his clients Ferraris. Not that there’s anything wrong with 5 40, it’s just that he believes for our GTS engines it provides a little exta degeee of protection and cooling . No idea if the all year-round temperate climate here in the SF Bay Area makes a difference or not.
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I would go with the 10W60 or something here in Fresno, the summer roadway temps are 120 degrees F for months on end. You really need a little bit extra. But unless you are operating in the extreme heat I would stick with the standard.

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I use 0w-40 in my Granturismo S ... seems to run better with it with the cold weather we frequently have here in New England
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I would stick with what Maserati recommends, as this will work in almost any area. However, if you live in an area with temperature extremes you may have reason to choose a different grade. For example, 10W anything will stop the engine from turning over at -40. So if you live in an area like that 5W or even 0W would make sense. Likewise, extreme heat could force you into a different grade of engine oil. If lubrication does not work properly under the conditions you use it in frequently, it will ultimately cause engine wear.
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I would stick with what Maserati recommends, as this will work in almost any area. However, if you live in an area with temperature extremes you may have reason to choose a different grade. For example, 10W anything will stop the engine from turning over at -40. So if you live in an area like that 5W or even 0W would make sense. Likewise, extreme heat could force you into a different grade of engine oil. If lubrication does not work properly under the conditions you use it in frequently, it will ultimately cause engine wear.

So if I use 10w in Iowa or Minnesota in the winter then my engine won't turn over? Please explain? I honestly don't try to answers peoples questions about bird watching on a forum because I don't know shit about bird watching...Think about that for a spell...Inaccurate post give the internet a bad name..You are not helping.That was friendly advice...Jason

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I don't have a clue what may or may not be appropriate for a Maserati engine.

But....
I used to have a Chevy dealership. Too lazy to look up the specific model years, but in the mid 1990's, the Chevy Lumina had a DOHC V6. Factory recommended was 0W-30. Nearly everybody who bought them thought that was waaaaay too thin. Over a period of a couple of years, we would get a few cars per month that had been filled with something thicker, like 10W-40. In every case, the cam followers would stick in their bores, causing all sorts of very noisy issues. Fortunately, it was not an interference engine. We had to fill with cleaning solvent, run for a minute or two, drain, fill with some cheap thin oil, run, drain, and then fill with factory recommended oil.

What is really embarrassing about this is that I made this very mistake in my demo.

Bottom line? I only use what is specified in the owner's manual.

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So if I use 10w in Iowa or Minnesota in the winter then my engine won't turn over? Please explain? I honestly don't try to answers peoples questions about bird watching on a forum because I don't know shit about bird watching...Think about that for a spell...Inaccurate post give the internet a bad name..You are not helping.That was friendly advice...Jason
Correct. A vehicle with 10W30 will not start at -40, because the oil will be so thick you cannot even get it out of the bottle with a spoon. If you don't believe it, try it sometime. So again, if you live in an area with extreme temperatures, hot or cold, it may make sense to adjust the grade of oil from what is recommended. Just some friendly and very accurate advice from Canada.
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Correct. A vehicle with 10W30 will not start at -40, because the oil will be so thick you cannot even get it out of the bottle with a spoon. If you don't believe it, try it sometime. So again, if you live in an area with extreme temperatures, hot or cold, it may make sense to adjust the grade of oil from what is recommended. Just some friendly and very accurate advice from Canada.

I'm a nice guy, but I pretty much think you have no idea what you are talking about 90% of the time...Lets start there..So according to you everyone walks everywhere in the world when it gets -40? Car engines don't crank? buses stop etc? How the F*** would anyone drive in Canada if they were driving around with a car with no oil pressure because the oil was frozen solid? regards...Jason

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Having started a car at -37 C in Calgary, Canada many years ago (without a block heater) I can tell you the starting motor turns the engine over slower and the engine when it starts makes all kinds of strange noises. I think it may have had 5W-30 non synthetic. First off all synthetics flow better than "dino" oil at low temps: and even 10W-30 may have allowed the engine to start... but start-up wear would have been worse. The mfr recommends an oil and indicates the allowable ambient temp ranges the recommendation applies to. I would not stray from that recommendation if your ambient temp range falls within that mfr-indicated range. What I really am a proponent of is pre-heating coolant (and motor oil) to really mitigate against start-up wear. For wetsump engines I like the (very) low wattage stick-on-silicone pad sump heaters. If memory serves... mebe 25W for say 3 hours? For drysump engines a low watt-density immersion heater into the oil tank may have merit. Sorry, no apologies as regards practicality hehe. It IS doable...
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Starting any car below 0 Fahrenheit without a block heater is going to be hit or miss, as a former Canadian I can tell you that. I fired up a new Cadillac with GDI last winter, it was maybe 5 or 10 below F and it barely started, not because it won't turn over, but generally because the fuel doesn't want to ignite. Use a block heater and you won't need to worry about your oil, or your car not starting.

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Thanks guys, I feel vindicated. The reason block heaters are used almost ubiquitously in cold areas is to heat up the engine oil. You could get around this issue in part by using a thinner oil.

Jason, I know you know your stuff and have amazing mechanical knowledge. However, nobody knows everything and so the beauty of these forums is that we can share ideas and learn from the discussion.
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but generally because the fuel doesn't want to ignite. .
Also a contributing factor which should not be overlooked in extreme cold weather, and thinking the oil weight is the only issue .

When I lived in Cleveland, although winter temps do not get as extreme as in Canada, or Iowa, or Montana, etc. , my diesel MBZ would often fail to fire up after a very cold night, while the gasoline car I also had at the time almost never had that problem. Diesel is so thin it will freeze or gel in the lines . Gas might not freeze or gel, but it’s logical to think as is the case with oil , it could be impacted to some extent by temps .

No clue about hot weather impact.
Any members here from Dubai, or UAE , who can chime in and let us know what oil weight they use ?
I would have included Sudan, but chances are ...not too many GTS vehicles there

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