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Which? Ferrari 430 Scud or 458 Italia

Hey guys

please humor me, because I'm at work and trying to make the shift go by quicker tonight.

but i have been thinking for a while now, in a 1-2 years when my wife's GT3 is paid off, I would love to get one of the above, either a 458 Italia or F430 Scuderia.

Out of the two, which would you choose and why? (and only one of these two please!)

here's what I have been debating:

Pros to 430 Scud:
- limited edition that is the "highest" track orientated form of the 430
- more powerful and lighter than F430
- cheaper than 458 Italia (at least right now)

Cons to 430 Scud
- older than 458, so may have more "issues" in future
- still expensive (about $150k) for bascially a F430 that's been upgraded

Pros to 458
- newer, and damn good car

Cons to 458
- still alot of $$$, most still go for $180k+ and most are still $200k+
- not the "top of the line" version, which is the Speciale

I had the same debate with a friend, and he said he would choose the 430 Scud because it's the top of the line of that model, and he'd choose that over a "base" model, which is what the 458 is..."base" model.

I'm sure i'd be happy with either, but out of the two what would you choose and why?

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And just for comparison, 458 on top, 430 Scuderia on bottom!


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For future resale value, I'd say the Scud. For personal use, the 458.

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Thanks Bigfoot. I think I'm more about personal use.

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I would initially say "none of them". I would much rather own a 612 (extraordinary class), a California (what a sexy rear) or a FF (a beast).

But if it is for your personal use, then a 458 would be the right choice (newer car).


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I would initially say "none of them". I would much rather own a 612 (extraordinary class), a California (what a sexy rear) or a FF (a beast).

But if it is for your personal use, then a 458 would be the right choice (newer car).

Sunshine the reasons I don't want a 612 because I think it'll be too close to my MC. More grand tourer than sports car. I'm looking for more hard-core sports car.

I'm not too sold on the California 's looks. The rear doesn't so it for me.

If I was to consider the FF, I'd rather get the F12

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Sunshine the reasons I don't want a 612 because I think it'll be too close to my MC. More grand tourer than sports car. I'm looking for more hard-core sports car. I'm not too sold on the California 's looks. The rear doesn't so it for me. If I was to consider the FF, I'd rather get the F12
The MC is gorgeous and special but I believe the 612 is in a class of its own. I really love the California's rear...

A F12, now you are talking (and it looks much better than a 458)!!


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The 430 Scuderia is a beast... it's also much more geared to be a track car, so it squeaks a bit, is stiffer, more road / engine noise, no carpeting, many come without a radio and with a fire extinguisher, it's a drivers car and explosively fast. This car allows you to turn off all the safety features and hang it out there like none other. If you want a drivers car, this is it, you will sacrifice some of the comfort for it. It also comes standard with CCM, Titanium Bolts and more Carbon Fiber than you're going to see on just about any other car, it was Ferrari's fastest model at the time and still is right there with the best of them in lap times and overall performance.

The 458 is a more refined street car, it doesn't allow you to defeat all the built in safety measures but still drives very quick. It may actually be faster in a straight line, etc... but is a softer, more compliant ride with a more luxurious interior (although a little funky). it will not turn as fast of a lap time but has a much softer ride and a nicer interior in terms of comfort.

They are both wonderful cars, it's all about the purpose. As to value, the Scuds is an SF badged Ferrari and seems to be holding up well at their current price and are an important part of Ferrari History... the 458 is the standard model like the 355, 360, 430, etc... so it will depreciate like any other Ferrari street car that is not a special model. So that's not to say that the 430 Scud will actually be worth more... you'll just have to wait and see.

If you already have an MC, I'd suggest the Scud, it's not just faster but is uniquely different (more of a real race car)... the 458 is more of a street car and you already have a fantastic one in the MC.

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430 scuderia would be my choice.
Rare, fast, special.
458 is beautiful, but also the first choice of the 16 year old son of sheik alah akbar from Abu Dabi.

430 scuderia is a special for carlovers with taste

430 scud is the only ferrari I've ever driven ;-)

Just my two cents.
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My personal opinion is that I can't live without a radio or drive everyday to work in a car with too hard a suspension. I mean, going home after a nightshift in a car without creature comforts will quickly put me in a foul mood. I will probably be less inclined to drive the car because of it. My Boxster has a very stiff track suspension and I pretty much would only choose to drive it if it's a fantastically gorgeous day or if I am going somewhere with likely tight parking spaces and I don't want poor drivers to bumper park against my QP.

458 is also much prettier in my eyes. And would turn more "average heads" than a special edition F430, which would be known only to enthusiasts. If this matter to you. And why shouldn't it. We don't all be drive modified WRXs for a reason.

The whole thing about being a base model would be of limited concern to me personally, because both are Ferrari's, and neither sell by the hundreds of thousands.

Resale value is of no concern if you don't plan to sell.

If you do plan to sell in the short to medium term, then in the limited time you own the car you would want to drive it as much as you can - which means you either put up with the track setup for the daily commute, or, track it a lot. Neither is what I would want to do personally.

I dare say the 458 would age better as a classic, if you are into keeping cars for the long run.

So, I would say, the 458 makes more sense more of the time. And would be far more flexible in the long run.

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I think it depends on where a person lives and what they choose to do with it.

If I lived in Napa Valley, CA again, I would probably pick something like the Scud. Lots of twisty backroads and multiple racetracks within a short drive. The Scud is an amazing track car.

If I lived somewhere with flat terrain and relatively straight roads, I probably wouldn't pick either as they would both underperform compared to something like a 599 or F12.

If I wanted something as an expensive daily driver, I would absolutely take the 458. But would probably be frustrated with the daily driving shortcomings.

IMHO, the 430 (incl. Scud) is starting to look dated compared to the sleek lines of the 458. The 430 is now a 10 year old design. Amazing car at any price but there is good reason many Scud owners are upgrading to the 458.



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Lots of good and different perspectives here that should help you decide depending on how you identify with them...

FWIW, many Scuds do have factory radio / nav... but it's not a great system. However, a stereo is an easy upgrade either way and you will not care much about the stereo when driving it

The Scud also has a feature to soften the suspension, you have to push a few buttons to get it there but it does make a pretty noticeable difference and should be fine for cruising around. Many owners don't know exactly how to use this feature, there is a setting on the wheel "manettino" and there is also a button between the seats that softens it up further, it displays a shock. I still agree though, that it really shouldn't be considered for a daily driver, this is a supercar in the strictest sense.

If you do want the *new* V8 Ferrari, the 458 would be it, many owners are already trading up to the spyder or other models. Quite a few Ferrari owners jump from the "new" Ferrari to the "next" Ferrari simply because they want the latest toy, I don't think this lends much credit to the old design being any less of a car. The most desirable Ferrari's are low production models and older designs, the 430 Scud is a much lower production model than the 458 and I believe it will be a collectors car, perhaps the last Ferrari without all the new "assists" that many drivers fight with, but there will also probably be a 458 Scud or equivalent that will come along and it's performance will likely be quite amazing to compete with the new Lambo's that are coming out.

All that said, the 458 is a beautiful machine and would be a better choice if you wanted to put miles on or use as a daily driver. However, your MC is already a better fit for this purpose.

If you haven't seen both cars in the flesh, you should take a bit of time to at least sit in them. Test drive opportunities for either models are usually quite rare at dealerships but at least you can hear it and see the craftsmanship and lines of both.

If there were other considerations such as the F12, well then, it's definitely worth looking at also but it's in a completely different price realm.

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458.

Both are Ferraris and both are great cars. The 458 is just sexier.
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great replies guys, appreciate the feedback and opinions.

That's what I'm worried about, one reason I traded the F355 in is because it was starting to look dated, especially the interior. but to my eyes, at least the exterior, the Scud is still very modern and a standout.

I'm in West Texas, so very flat and no hills, but also not many twisty roads.

I still have a few years to decide, but i think i'm favoring the 60% Scud and 40% 458 at this time...

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Scud or 458

According to Forza if you have 150k to spend go with the Scud although I haven,t seen any at that price yet, also keep in mind the 458 is still in production and a lot are available. Last year I lost out on a perfect 360 CS for 150k sold in less than a week at Algar.Seems like Ferraris are so far ahead of the design curve they seem to get better with age . I never even liked the 360 at first ?



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