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how to lower my 4200

I just bought a 2002 Spyder Cambiocorsa. It has the original setup and I would like to lower it. Is there a guide on how to do it in a thread here on the forum?
It would be great to know just how much I need to adjust the coilovers to get the right look.
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You need to buy the sport springs from Formula Dynamics:

http://formuladynamics.com/products/...ortsprings.php

They drop the car about an inch which is the perfect drop, I think. Plus they increase the handling capabilities like CRAZY (which, frankly, is REALLY important on the earlier spyders).

If you try to lower the car with stock springs it will make your car handle even more poorly and it will possibly damage your suspension system.
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Can u tighten the coilovers to make the ride firmer?
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Nope.
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thanks for responding!

Iīm not looking for race setup or something that wont let me down on a track day. On a track day I will use my Ferrari. Only the look is interesting for me on the spyder.
I havent been driving the car that much since I will pick it up during this week.
But I thought the ride was nice. Have driven some 3200 with original setup, and I liked it.

I think I will try to adjust the coilovers, and see....after all its free. If it dont work I can easily reset the car and buy the springs.
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Yah. The problem with doing that (I think you can find the threads somewhere) is that the stock springs are already on the verge of being too soft for the setup the car has, so when you lower it by loosening up the springs, you make the shocks do more work than they can handle and damage them.

Plus, you make the car handle even worse than it does already-- to the verge of being unsafe.

And the thing is that with these cars, from what I have heard from two separate techs is that you actually need to remove the shocks to adjust the coilovers. About an hour each shock, real time.

Either way, the damage to the shocks along with the time taken to reinstall the springs, etc. is going to end up being much more than the 1k the shocks cost. I suggest just doing it right the first time.
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You need to buy the sport springs from Formula Dynamics:

http://formuladynamics.com/products/...ortsprings.php

They drop the car about an inch which is the perfect drop, I think. Plus they increase the handling capabilities like CRAZY (which, frankly, is REALLY important on the earlier spyders).

If you try to lower the car with stock springs it will make your car handle even more poorly and it will possibly damage your suspension system.
Completely Wrong you dont have to buy the FD springs anyone would think you work for FD by the way you keep telling people they have buy FD products as if they are the only option , I admit Jeff does a bloody good range of products, but tell the guy you can adjust stock springs and there are also others on the market at least be fair and honest in your advice please


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Completely Wrong you dont have to buy the FD springs anyone would think you work for FD by the way you keep telling people they have buy FD products as if they are the only option , I admit Jeff does a bloody good range of products, but tell the guy you can adjust stock springs and there are also others on the market at least be fair and honest in your advice please
While FD is certainly not the only supplier of aftermarket parts on the market, Formula Dynamics happens to be the best because of the R&D that they put into their solutions. As for the other suggestion, it would be really bad advice to tell someone they can lower their car with the stock springs. While it is physically possible, doing so with the stock units would severaly degrade already horrible performance.

So, yes, you can lower a car with stock springs. But, no, you would never want to do that unless it is a show car that you don't intend to drive.



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Completely Wrong you dont have to buy the FD springs anyone would think you work for FD by the way you keep telling people they have buy FD products as if they are the only option , I admit Jeff does a bloody good range of products, but tell the guy you can adjust stock springs and there are also others on the market at least be fair and honest in your advice please


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He's right actuallly and you should learn to calm down.

The stock handling sucks because the OEM springs are too soft as you will quickly learn if you take the time to do a thread search on this topic. Lowering the car with stock springs will make it worse if not outright dangerous.

The only other product that I am aware of that is an alternative to FD is the KW coilover system at three times the price.
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Gentlemen,

I can claim to be a neutral as far as the two opposing positions from MaseratiBoy & Loz are concerned for the simple reason that I am not up-to-speed on whether or not the stock suspension can be tuned or not.

That is why I opened the thread with interest - and was frustrated with the first reply being MaseratiBoy (let's just say MB from now on) telling the originator to buy FD springs.

I don't disagree that this might well be good advice, especially since subsequent posts seem to add weight to the opinion that adjusting the stock suspension is difficult, time-consuming and costly. It would also appear to be unsafe to drop the ride height any significant amount.

These are all interesting statements and although I don't know enough to either agree or disagree with Loz, one thing I will say is I agree that there are times that MB sounds like he must be working on a commission basis for Jeff (please just take that as constructive feedback MB ).

If MB had simply started out by explaining the reasons not to drop the stock suspension and leave the FD plug for later in the post then it would have come across completely differently (and for the better).

Now then, I look forward to hearing more about whether or not the stock setup can be tuned safely to any significant degree.

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Completely Wrong you dont have to buy the FD springs anyone would think you work for FD by the way you keep telling people they have buy FD products as if they are the only option , I admit Jeff does a bloody good range of products, but tell the guy you can adjust stock springs and there are also others on the market at least be fair and honest in your advice please


regards loz
You're right loz, I'm sorry.

"Buy the springs at one thousand dollars to lower your car and keep the option of skyhook, or buy the KW at four thousand dollars and lose your skyhook-- either way, do not lower the car using the stock springs. Do a search on the forum to find posts as to why."

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These are all interesting statements and although I don't know enough to either agree or disagree with Loz, one thing I will say is I agree that there are times that MB sounds like he must be working on a commission basis for Jeff (please just take that as constructive feedback MB ).

If MB had simply started out by explaining the reasons not to drop the stock suspension and leave the FD plug for later in the post then it would have come across completely differently (and for the better).
No commission here. I just use, like many, FD's products and have seen the difference it makes.

Telling me to manipulate my answer in some way to make it seem more "natural" and to not show my happiness with Jeff's products seems like it would be the thing that would make me seem suspicious-- answering his question fully the first time around does not.
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Now then, I look forward to hearing more about whether or not the stock setup can be tuned safely to any significant degree.
FWIW, and I have no idea if this is due to the stock suspension or the tires I have (Sumitomo HTRZ II's... it's what came with the car, and they seem "OK", good all-weather tires, but tend to have less lateral grip then I'd like), I seem to experience more ass-end issues than I do front-end issues, yet most of the threads on this forum that have to do with handling seem to concentrate on the front end... I tend to actually like the front end characteristics of this car just fine, but the rear-end fishtailing when accelerating out of corners or off the line is not to my liking... any thoughts?



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hmmm, that measn to say, stock suspension can be adjusted to G.S. ride height? i am hoping to just get the ride height 10mm lower, my car seems to be exceptionally tall compared to other 4200 C.C., maybe the previousowner ahd it adjusted higher to clear his driveway?

Anyway, loz, other than FD springs, what other springs are available in the market? cant seem to find anything at all! as for coilovers, its either KW variant3 or FK koenigsport, 1st one costs GBP 1.8K, then 2nd one costs only GBP800, seems cheaper than FD springs? springs normally costs USD199-299, i dont know why FD springs are so much more expensive, is it because we are maserati owners? or is it because its made of an exotic material?

PS: no offence meant to FD, Jeff u guys are doing a great job, although i have not bought the DBW from you yet!
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Right where do we start , there is a very well respected indie here in the UK called Millbrooke cars Sheffield , they deal with all the regular supercars and have many years experience working and training for the larger Main Dealers , so they have plenty of street cred so to speak , i talked this over with Andy when i first got my 4200 coupe nearly 3 years ago re Having the FD springs when they were just coming out , his reply was that the existing stock springs can be lowered safely, but giving the same ride but far better handling,


He suggested that in conjunction with lowering the adjustment, to have the springs professionally altered/ adjusted by a local machine shop spring specialist to suit, they had carried out this procedure on around 20 odd cars over the years without problems , the whole car sorted all for the princely sum of £75 a quarter thats £300

My 4200 drives and looks as good as my Gransport so it can be done , the only downside is that its not reversible if your not happy with it , but after 3 years and many track days im still every bit as pleased with the car , as i was when i had it done i trusted him and his experience and it payed off, one of the reasons i havent sold it and keep the two.

I know i sounded a little controversial , sorry i didn't mean too, and as stated earlier in my post fair play, Jeff does some extremely good products, but from an outsider of this (predominantly US forum) some people think thats all there is out there , and that any other products are an arm and a leg, not so my friend,

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I have lowered a lot of italian cars. And there is a lot of arguments around this. Some here say that the car sucks in the original setup. What car do you refere to?My car is original as this photo shows


If the ride is good, and I think it is it would not harm to lower the car. However if its too soft there is a problem.
It looks too high and would be great to get it lowered 25mm.

How is it that its not possible to get the originally setup back?
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