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Like I said give Roselli a try, they won't disappoint and are real experts. There are several older Maseratis in the shop at any given time and they do top work for half the dealer charges sometimes.

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The bit of info I've garnered over the last year on the manual 6 speed is.
Early clutches could be prone to fingers(tangs) breaking off so it's not unusual to find a clutch replacement on early manual 6 speed cars at relatively low miles, late 2003 on cars tend to last longer and normally find the release bearing starts making a noise before the clutch is worn, if the release bearing eventually seizes it doesn't do the tangs on the clutch much good either.
Having just had my release bearing and pilot bearing changed at 69000 miles the clutch was half worn, the labour rate for the job here in the UK was 550=$715
Feel free to correct me as my knowledge is very limited.
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Coupe and GS should be about the same.

make sure you're getting like for like quotes. There's some stuff in there you want to replace while you're in as the parts are cheap, but the labour stings!

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Throw out bearing
F1 sensor
*Probably* Flywheel

Paging Jason. Jason to the clutch replacement thread, please.

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Flywheel is expensive ($800) and doesn't generally need to be replaced unless burnt from too much low-speed creeping.
Throw-out bearing is hit-or-miss, depends on mileage. Most are good for at least two clutch plates before they start to leak. Sensor is also hit or miss but if you leave it in and it goes bad later you just have to dismantle the whole clutch again (ask me how I know).

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Damn, I wish there was someone in CO doing $3000 clutches.

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Flywheel is expensive ($800) and doesn't generally need to be replaced unless burnt from too much low-speed creeping.
Throw-out bearing is hit-or-miss, depends on mileage. Most are good for at least two clutch plates before they start to leak. Sensor is also hit or miss but if you leave it in and it goes bad later you just have to dismantle the whole clutch again (ask me how I know).
The factory F136 flywheel is $300 brand new in the Ferrari box, or $100 to resurface it. I've done both. I always recommend replacing that due to its low cost. If anyone charges $800, then that is pure robbery. I know that parts markup is part of business but not to that extent.

While you have that off, you may want to replace the spigot as well.

As for the F1 sensor, they can fail out of the box or they can last forever. They typically don't, but the point is there is no way to predict failure.

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I'm not doing any clutches for 3k$...All our clutch jobs get a new F1 sensor and slave cylinder...The only way you do clutches for 3K$ is start deleting the actual parts replaced and/or using aftermarket rebuilt clutches...You can't compare apples to oranges as the numbers simply don't work...A new OE clutch is not cheap these days and have been going up in price....Jason

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The factory F136 flywheel is $300 brand new in the Ferrari box, or $100 to resurface it. I've done both. I always recommend replacing that due to its low cost. If anyone charges $800, then that is pure robbery. I know that parts markup is part of business but not to that extent.

While you have that off, you may want to replace the spigot as well.

As for the F1 sensor, they can fail out of the box or they can last forever. They typically don't, but the point is there is no way to predict failure.
The $800 flywheel quote is direct from Stevens Creek Maserati of San Jose, back in 2017.

The $3,000 clutch job was quoted and done on my QP at Roselli Foreign Cars also in 2017... it may have increased by now due to parts price increases. Stevens Creek Maserati quoted $7300 at that same time for the job without flywheel, $8100 with flywheel.

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The $800 flywheel quote is direct from Stevens Creek Maserati of San Jose, back in 2017.

The $3,000 clutch job was quoted and done on my QP at Roselli Foreign Cars also in 2017... it may have increased by now due to parts price increases. Stevens Creek Maserati quoted $7300 at that same time for the job without flywheel, $8100 with flywheel.
There's labor in that $800 and wow! that's too much for that job. It seems as though they would prefer that you go somewhere else.

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There's labor in that $800 and wow! that's too much for that job. It seems as though they would prefer that you go somewhere else.
Hey, the dealer wanted $7,100+ to replace my EV line. I bought it for $130 and replaced it in one day. How do they say it in Italy? Bada-bing?

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There's labor in that $800 and wow! that's too much for that job. It seems as though they would prefer that you go somewhere else.
Oh absolutely. It is well established that Maserati dealers do not want to work on the "Ferrari era" cars. The Bakersfield dealership told me to forget it, unambiguously. The San Jose dealer told me they had only one tech who was qualified to do the work, and he was away for 3 weeks.

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We still never concluded what you are getting for 3k$? A new OE clutch is around 1900.00 these days, a F1 sensor around 400.00, and a slave cylinder around 500.00...I'm curious how they are doing it for 3k$ ? So is everyone else it appears...Jason

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Oh absolutely. It is well established that Maserati dealers do not want to work on the "Ferrari era" cars. The Bakersfield dealership told me to forget it, unambiguously. The San Jose dealer told me they had only one tech who was qualified to do the work, and he was away for 3 weeks.
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We still never concluded what you are getting for 3k$? A new OE clutch is around 1900.00 these days, a F1 sensor around 400.00, and a slave cylinder around 500.00...I'm curious how they are doing it for 3k$ ? So is everyone else it appears...Jason
7300 without removing the flywheel is too high, and 3000 is too low unless it's labor only, then it's a little high. Definitely curious what they're doing for 3k even a couple of years ago.

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Well, the early 2005s are a little cheaper on parts. I'd need to see the vin to verify but I know Sean's car takes the less expensive parts like mine. I paid $1,030 for the Valeo clutch and around $250 for the sensor sealed in the Ferrari packaging. The flywheel was around $300 also in the Ferrari packaging. I, also, have an earlier model. All was directly ordered from Italy and took about 3-4 weeks. Now the 2006 MY cars have a more expensive clutch, around $1,900. The F1 sensor is not interchangeable either. The first time I ordered a sensor, it was over $700. Now it's down. Don't know why. Don't care lol. I got the Hill Engineering bearing for $500 and it came with the seals. The OEM comes without seals, FYI. I was pissed the first time lol.

Regardless, the $3k price is too low, even if the shop is making no money on the parts. For an experienced shop, a good labor rate would be $2K-$2,500, which should put the bare-bones job at about $4,500 on a really good day, maybe closer to $5K.

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Here is a picture of their invoice. You can see that, along with other work being done, it lists "1 clutch assembly" in the parts column for $1450, and the labor column shows "R&R clutch assembly" for $1500.

Their nominal rate is $150/hour so that's 10 hours of labor... isn't that enough?
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