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Thank you for the well-considered and fullsome reply. Incidentally, I have NEVER driven a car where the transmission or transaxle did not feel noticeably poorer-shifting when cold versus when at proper operating temp - with some cars quite a bit poorer - snatchy /gravelly/"notchy". Ferrari owners (with the same Graziano 'box) are often counselled to go from 1st gear to 3rd gear until the 'box is warm, or if on a down-gradient to start off in 2nd (albeit with minimal throttle / clutch slipping). I have often thought about applying a stick-on 20watt or 25watt heating element, and adding a transaxle "blanket" of closed cell foam or neoprene - and pre-heating on a timer or for 2 or so hours before the drive. Extreme - well, some would say so - but I consider it part of running a high performance car with a manual 'box. It's just the norm for me, to "nurse" it to operating temp. Preheating of the oil tank with a low wattage immersion heater element... as well. Also, there's nothing wrong with 2 hours of block heater (or circulating type) coolant pre-heat either to be easier on the engine .

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l have had my 6MT for a couple of years now, it shifts fine smooth and fast, there was a little learning curve but once I got past that it does really well. The clutch does release at the top but all hydraulic clutch systems do for the most part, I remember when class 8 tractors changed over to hydraulic all our drivers flipped out until they got used to it. I kinda like it makes for a much faster shift I can feather the clutch without having to push much at all. To me, I find shifting at 6500-7000 rpm's is the sweet spot I also think the gear ratio is just fine, at first I kinda thought it was a little tight until I started shifting at higher rpm's. Mine like all manual transmissions loosens up after it gets warm I'v never really thought much about it that's how they are by the time I'm out of our little town it's warm and willing.
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I am guessing that you don't shift at 6500-7000 rpm 'till engine oil and transaxle lubricant is at normal operating temp... and that you "nurse" it along 'till then.

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On another note, here is one Maserati you won't need to worry about resale value!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-maserati-shamal/

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On another note, here is one Maserati you won't need to worry about resale value!

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-maserati-shamal/
I have seen a few of those up for sale. They are not lighting up the auction world by any means. It could be because it looks like a Bi-Turbo on steroids. Also they are hard to find parts for.
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I am guessing that you don't shift at 6500-7000 rpm 'till engine oil and transaxle lubricant is at normal operating temp... and that you "nurse" it along 'till then.
What you say is true, but I find when the transaxle is cold you need at least 3,500 rpm to do a clean 1 to 2 up shift.
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What about very slow, deliberate 1-> 2 shifts at 1800 to nurse it thru warm up? I know that would be a PITA but every last manual transmission car I have has seemed to benefit from this. YMMV, but I find that cars that have not had their second gear synchro's cared for in this manner exhibit weakness in their 2nd gear sychro's when at operating temp (and needless to say to a much worse extent when cold), often at the 70,000 mile mark. This truly is a PITA 'cause "granny shifting" like this threatens a "bunt" on the rear from individuals following closely, not paying attention, and not expecting a substantial pause in your acceleration away from a stop. I know, I know! It's vexxing for them, too 😐 .

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I've never seen a transmission mechanical failure on these or Ferrari forums (except guys who try the 5>2 shift at redline and they have many excuses). These transmissions are built to slam shit in the CC and F1 configurations and first and second have effective triple cone synchronizers. They have an internal oil pump and maybe the transmission needs some rpm to get the oil flow up. I just find my cold transmission is easier to shit at 3,500 than below 2,000 where I have to force it.
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I agree... they are very robust... and have that fairly rare feature of the internal oil pump, screened strainer, and for european market qp 5 's an external aerial cooler. Also, significantly, this Oerlikon-Graziano 'box has triple cone 1st and 2nd synchro's. It's just habit for me, to shift in that manner. Too many old cars with weak 'boxes 🙂 .

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That would be correct I don't shift hi rpm's until It's warmed up, like I said by the time I get out of town it's plenty warm and ready to go.
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