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Which FERRARI Engine is used on MASERATI's?

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I don't believe that any of them are pulled directly from specific Ferraris, though the 4.2L was said to be similar to that in the F430. I don't know that the 4.7L engine in modern GTs has a Ferrari equivalent. And the Ghibli engine, though built by Ferrari, is unique to Maserati.
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AFAIK, none. The Ferrari engine shop builds them, but they are Maserati spec engines and, as Elambo said, the 430 shares the block with the modern Maserati V8. That is the only shared part(other than hardware etc.). The 4.2 and 4.7 use the same block and you can take the 4.2L to 4.7L. IIRC Modena-Tec offers this service.

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As correctly pointed out by elambo and lcdave, Maserati uses Maserati engines.

The V8s in the Gran Turismo and Gran Cabrio are so-called F136 engines. They are used in many Maserati and Ferrari models - and in the Alfa Romeo 8C - but in different specs. The F136 engine family was actually introduced in a Maserati; the 4200 Spyder (and then in the 4200 Coupe) in 2002. It made its first Ferrari appearance in the 430 in 2004.

The Maserati and Ferrari engines are far from identical. Displacements differ, and the Maserati F136 engines are crossplane crankshaft engines, whereas the Ferrari F136 engines are flatplane crankshaft engines. But, they are all built in Maranello.

The new V8s - the (twin-turbocharged) F154 family - also differ in Maserati and Ferrari applications, and was, again, first introduced in a Maserati; the Quattroporte VI in 2013.

Expect a version of the V6 engine in the new Ghibli to be introduced in some Ferrari at some point...

Even the V12 (the F149) used in the MC12 is not the same in Maserati and Ferrari configurations. Most importantly, the MC12 has a gear-driven camshaft system, whereas the Ferraris have a more mundane chain-driven system.

The last Maserati engine that was both designed and built in Viale Ciro Menotti was the 3200 twin-turbocharged V8, last used in the 3200GT (1998-2002).

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merak1974 - Thank you. Very insightful explanation of the Maserati / Ferrari engines.

Interesting your point on the new Ghibli V6 twin turbo ... although the Ghibli has some definite improvement opportunities to be in the Maserati family ... the engine ... especially the S/SQ4 version seems to have significant upside. Almost de-tuned not to compete too closely with V8 cousins or AWD system is not designed for the load(?).

I've had an SQ4 for almost 1.5 years and compared to a "tuned" SQ4 it is amazing what was left as upside HP/torque. Maybe someday Maserati will factory leverage some of that untapped power.
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merak1974 - Thank you. Very insightful explanation of the Maserati / Ferrari engines.

Interesting your point on the new Ghibli V6 twin turbo ... although the Ghibli has some definite improvement opportunities to be in the Maserati family ... the engine ... especially the S/SQ4 version seems to have significant upside. Almost de-tuned not to compete too closely with V8 cousins or AWD system is not designed for the load(?).

I've had an SQ4 for almost 1.5 years and compared to a "tuned" SQ4 it is amazing what was left as upside HP/torque. Maybe someday Maserati will factory leverage some of that untapped power.
well its at least good for the 503 bhp in the Alfa Giulia.

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merak1974 - Thank you. Very insightful explanation of the Maserati / Ferrari engines.

Interesting your point on the new Ghibli V6 twin turbo ... although the Ghibli has some definite improvement opportunities to be in the Maserati family ... the engine ... especially the S/SQ4 version seems to have significant upside. Almost de-tuned not to compete too closely with V8 cousins or AWD system is not designed for the load(?).

I've had an SQ4 for almost 1.5 years and compared to a "tuned" SQ4 it is amazing what was left as upside HP/torque. Maybe someday Maserati will factory leverage some of that untapped power.
Totally agree. I would be surprised if the top version of the (hopefully) soon to be launched Alfieri doesn't have a 500HP+ V6 twin turbo.

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well its at least good for the 503 bhp in the Alfa Giulia.

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Expect a version of the V6 engine in the new Ghibli to be introduced in some Ferrari at some point...

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This might be it: Ferrari Dino to return as V6-engined sports car | Autocar

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well its at least good for the 503 bhp in the Alfa Giulia.
Hm... I have read in another forum that the engine in the new Giulia (Quadrifoglio version) is a 90 degrees V6, which would suggest that it is derived from the F154 Ferrari/Maserati V8 family (which has a 90 degrees configuration), not the 60 degrees V6 designed by Maserati for the Ghibli...

But, I haven't seen any official spec sheet yet...

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I thought that the v6 in the Ghibli is a mix of Us and Euro parts doesn't it have a Chrysler penstar block made in the U.S. Which is shipped to Ferrari for the balance of parts
Isn't this correct ?
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I thought that the v6 in the Ghibli is a mix of Us and Euro parts doesn't it have a Chrysler penstar block made in the U.S. Which is shipped to Ferrari for the balance of parts
Isn't this correct ?
There are probably people in this forum that know this so sure, but I don't think the Ghibli petrol engines have much, if anything, to do with the Pentastar. It is true, however, that Chrysler is among the suppliers (but not the only one....) of the engine block: http://www.autonews.com/article/2014...-engine-blocks

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Thank you for your response and link !
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Thank you for sending the link it really cleared everything up for me
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Interesting article ... thanks for sharing.

Sounds like all V6 blocks for current generation QP and Ghibli were cast in US but machined by Weber GmbH through mid 2014 than phased into US during summer of 2014. I guess you could infer by now, (MY2015 and MY2016), would have Chrysler cast and machine majority of engine blocks to keep within FCA manufacturing network.

machined in Europe by supplier Weber Automotive GmbH. But demand for the Maserati sedans began outstripping Weber's ability to keep up earlier this year sept 2014
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