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Old 05-17-2006, 01:51 PM
 
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Does anyone use any other oil than the AGIP? Is there anything better? Are other full synthetics just as good?

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Always use Shell Helix thinkit is 5w30 but I am not 100% sure
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Mobil 1 is the best but the dealer will only use Agip and I haven't taken the time to find a garage that will work on it. Anyone know a good Maserati / Ferrari mechanic in LA or the valley?
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My dealer has always used AGIP. I have heard other dealers use Shell Helix.

In regards to what is best, I wonder if the fact that AGIP I believe is used on the Ferrari racing team and sponser them, is the reason why AGIP is used at the dealer. Not nessesarily better is Agip, but just a part of the team.

I actually prefer Mobil 1, and use it on my other 2 cars. in the post warranty life of my Spyder, I intend to use Mobil 1


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My dealer only used AGIP, until the last oil change. When I asked, they said that Shell Helix is the only approved oil now. It's all politics, but I think that Helix was about $100 more expensive all together.


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Checked it 2 oil changes so far and always Shell Helix Ultra 5W40.... It is the only approved Ferrari oil now...not sure about Maserati. Price of 9 Litre oil was 150Eu, oil filter 30Eu and labour 80Eu.....How often do you guys change oil? Only the official intervals or more often?
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If you prefer, buy a case of Mobil 1 and put it in the passenger seat when you take it in for an oil change. Tell them they can charge their normal margin on the oil, even though you bought it somewhere else. They should be happy with that.

Owners' manual and warranty don't require Agip, they only give the grade and viscosity requirements. Ferrari Formula 1 cars have an AGIP logo on them.....if they actually put it in the motor, it's probably pretty good oil. Hard to know, they buy it by the drumfull.

If you're changing the oil yourself, Mobil 1 is about as good as it gets, it's among the oldest synthetics so probably has a very long testing history and it's the factory fill at Porsche and Mercedes.

By the way, if you've ever walked through the paddock at an F1 race weekend, you'll notice that after every testing or qualifying run they change the oil & filter in each car. I imagine they do this more as a precaution to see if there is anything unusual in the oil (discoloration, metal bits, etc) rather than thinking the oil isn't any good anymore (although with redlines at 20,000 rpms, maybe it isn't).


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Checked it 2 oil changes so far and always Shell Helix Ultra 5W40.... It is the only approved Ferrari oil now...not sure about Maserati. Price of 9 Litre oil was 150Eu, oil filter 30Eu and labour 80Eu.....How often do you guys change oil? Only the official intervals or more often?
The jury is still out on this... I have talked to several people at the FM dealership and have been told to change my oil every 3,000, 6,000 and 12,000 miles or atleast once a year regardless..... They also say it depends on how hard you are pushing your car. If you are really beating on it and tracking it 3,000 miles may be for you. I certainly don't think 5 - 6,000 will hurt anything... Wether or not it will help is anyones guess.

Personally, I plan to change my oil every 6,000 miles with a filter from the dealer and top quality synthetic. It seems like I will be putting about 10,000 per year on my car.

I think the manual calls for 5W30. What would happen if you put in 5W40?


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don't think Agip is not a supplier of Ferrari any longer
http://www.shell.com/home/Framework?.../benefits.html

5W30 or 5W40: according to my dealer you can use both. My 2 oil chamges were done by the official service. 40 is slightly ticker at operating temperature and maybe more appropiate for a hot climate????

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The proper oil for most modern Maserati engines is any true PAO {Polyalphaolefin}synthetic. A PAO synthetic is a "truce synthetic oil". Most american manufactures do not make PAO oils because the SAE/API in America has a very loose definition of what a syntheic is. In europe, a sythetic oil must be a PAO, to be sold as full synthetic. It must also say ACEA A3/B3 and VW 500/501/502/505 and MB229.3/5. As for being "Ferrari/Maserati approved? That is politics.

Quaker StatePennzoil European Fomula 5w/40 part # 162353{owned by Shell} is approved,by Ferrari, inexpensive, and very common.

Mobil 1 does make a European PAO formula, but none of there Trisynthetic oils commonly sold in the U.S are true PAO's. They are mixes of PAO and other base stocks.Hence the name "Trisynthetic"

Castrol's american oils are not PAO's Only there TWS line is. It is only avaliable at BMW dealers.

Shell Helix is not avaliable in the U.S. unless purchaced from a dealer

Redline/Amsoil are both true PAO syntheics that are avaliable in 5W/40
and are both excellent high quality oils.

6000 miles is the most I would reccommend going on an oil change*


*My backround stems from operating a quick lube for 20yrs and having family members who have worked for Ferrari, Porsche,BMW, Jaguar,Ford,GM,Harley Davidson, Suzuki, Etc... for 90+ years.

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The proper oil for most modern Maserati engines is any true PAO {Polyalphaolefin}synthetic. A PAO synthetic is a "truce synthetic oil". Most american manufactures do not make PAO oils because the SAE/API in America has a very loose definition of what a syntheic is. In europe, a sythetic oil must be a PAO, to be sold as full synthetic. It must also say ACEA A3/B3 and VW 500/501/502/505 and MB229.3/5. As for being "Ferrari/Maserati approved? That is politics.

Quaker StatePennzoil European Fomula 5w/40 part # 162353{owned by Shell} is approved,by Ferrari, inexpensive, and very common.

Mobil 1 does make a European PAO formula, but none of there Trisynthetic oils commonly sold in the U.S are true PAO's. They are mixes of PAO and other base stocks.Hence the name "Trisynthetic"

Castrol's american oils are not PAO's Only there TWS line is. It is only avaliable at BMW dealers.

Shell Helix is not avaliable in the U.S. unless purchaced from a dealer

Redline/Amsoil are both true PAO syntheics that are avaliable in 5W/40
and are both excellent high quality oils.

6000 miles is the most I would reccommend going on an oil change*


*My backround stems from operating a quick lube for 20yrs and having family members who have worked for Ferrari, Porsche,BMW, Jaguar,Ford,GM,Harley Davidson, Suzuki, Etc... for 90+ years.

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Thanks for the clarification! Everytime I hit the net I read nothing but positive things about Amsoil. I have never seen Amsoil for sale. I have also been reading how Mobile 1 and Castro are not "true european" synthetics.

I am going to buy a case of the Amsoil. I live in NJ, our owners manual calls for 5W30. Therefore I should NOT deviate and get 5W40? Correct?

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Old 05-18-2006, 04:35 PM
 
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The Maserati engine is made to run on a 5/40 PAO synthetic oil. 5/30 is a Maserati North America footnote. 5/30 will get you .0002% better gas miles,
but at the expense of engine protection. Maserati only needs the motor to last 4yr/50000 miles and not have to pay to high a CAFE fine for poor gas miles.

Red Line and Amsoil both have internet sites where you can purchace oil from one of there many dealers in person or mail order.

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Old 05-18-2006, 05:51 PM
 
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Default So it would be in my best interst to change the oil type?

Chris:

I am certainly not concerned with getting a .0002% increase in gas mileage at the expense of my engine. Especially since I plan on keeping this car.

Can you just add 5w40 at the next oil change? or do you have to flush everything out?

What type of oil do you have in your 05 GS?

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Old 05-18-2006, 06:24 PM
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no need flushing according to me since my dealer stated you can top up with either 30 or 40 regardless what is in the motor at the time as long as it is the same synthetic oil (Shell Helix in my case). The oil is the same but they use different/more (?) polymers to make it more or less liquid at different temperatures.....but surely Drevil has more details on that.
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Amsoil makes a "European formula" 5/40. I run it in my F355. 10/40 in my Caterham. G car still has AGIP in it. I am an Amsoil dealer just so I can get it wholesale. You can get a Preferred Customer status so you can get it wholesale, too..

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