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Maserati Coupe. A case of never meet your heroes?

I always liked the Maserati 3200/Coupe/Gransport. I think they look nicer than even the newer GrandTurismo, which I find much too big. They are my favorite coupe by far!

So after much delay, I finally decided to have a look at getting one.

While I have always heard they are not really sports cars, despite everything about them saying otherwise, I think I wasn't ready for what I encountered.

After test driving a couple of them I was truly disappointed. After looking online for reviews from back in the day my experience pretty much matches them. Top Gear for example put it down horribly for very much the same problems I found.

Now I know they were never intended to be full on sports cars, most likely because big sister Ferrari would never allow it. And I know they are GT cars. But even as GTs, I must say they handle horribly. They handle like a bag of bananas.

As far as GTs, something like the Jaguar XKR X150 handles way better. I have not driven it for a while but I don't remember even the old XK8 being that bad. And I remember thinking it handled like a canoe with it's large behind and roll prone body. But the Maserati somehow managed to be even worse.

So after being shocked by what I experienced and truly disappointed, I'm left with two questions. Why and can it be changed?

I ask why because the Maserati has everything to be stellar. It has a powerful engine and one which not only sounds wonderful but looks it too. Very refined and special. It's RWD and more importantly, it uses a transaxle. The holy grail for handling and balance in a front engine RWD car. So how can it be so unstable and unbalanced? The XKR for example doesn't even use a transaxle to balance things out an it's better than the Maserati. And they weight about the same too. So the XKR is also a heavy car.

I don't know what the weight distribution is in the Maserati but it has everything to be better than the Jag and its front mounted gearbox. But yet the Maserati handles more like a Mustang than like a Jaguar or any European car. Don't take me wrong. The XKR is far from perfect. It's hard to put the power down too and of course not in the same level of the newer F-Type. But at last it has less going for it than the Maserati, while delivering more. So what went wrong with the Maserati?

Which brings me to the next question. Can it be changed? Can it be fixed?

I don't expect it to handle like a Cayman or any rear mid engine car. I just expect it to handle like a good expensive exotic European front engine coupe that can hang with similar cars. Old Porsche 944 handles better too for example. Same set up. Front engine, RWD with a transaxle and rear seats. So it's a GT too instead of a full blown sports car.

It is so disappointing because the Maserati has been my favorite coupe forever. It's so beautiful, so harmonic. The interior is such a nice place to be. This is why I was so disappointed. A true case of never meet your heroes. But I hope it is not final and something can be done to correct things. It has so much going for it that I can't believe it can't be fixed. If a front engine, heavy Jaguar GT like the XKR can do better without a better balance, why can't the Maserati? If a big and much heavier 4 doors car like a BMW M5 can handle better, why can't a lighter 2 door Maserati GT?

I'm still hoping a Maserati Coupe will be in my future and that it can be made to handle like it should have been able to from the factory. So I'm all ears.
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Speak for yourself.
My Spyder handles amazingly well.
Not a track car, but than again- you want a track car, buy mid engine. Nonsense...
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Hi,

I naturally can only speak for myself.

Is yours stock?

It will also depend on what you are comparing it to.

I also didn't drive any spiders. Are they mechanically identical to the coupe? Maybe the shorter wheelbase helps with the handling?

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MS2017, your post sounds very much like a wannabe justifying why he should stay a wannabe. If you like the car then buy it and if you don't then don't buy it. But if you tell Maserati owners that you subjectively don't like Maserati's then the only answers you'll get is that they don't like you. If you want to improve handling here it is / / / FORMULA DYNAMICS - MASERATI & FERRARI SPECIALISTS / / / but bring lots of money. If you've tried several cars then you've probably got a pretty good picture, time to decide.
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MS2017, your post sounds very much like a wannabe justifying why he should stay a wannabe. If you like the car then buy it and if you don't then don't buy it. But if you tell Maserati owners that you subjectively don't like Maserati's then the only answers you'll get is that they don't like you. If you want to improve handling here it is / / / FORMULA DYNAMICS - MASERATI & FERRARI SPECIALISTS / / / but bring lots of money. If you've tried several cars then you've probably got a pretty good picture, time to decide.
Wannabe in what sense? I'm not sure what you are talking about there.

No, I don't like the car. Well, not the way it is. I like how it looks. But it doesn't drive how it looks. Should I not buy it then because I don't like a side of it? Not before I educate myself. Maybe there is a solution. And this is why I'm here, trying to speak with owners.

Yes, you are right. After I tried the first one I had to try more to see if the problem was the particular car or was the model itself. So you are right. I drove enough cars that I got a pretty good picture and yes, I don't like the handling the way it is.

But my question was, do I have to take it that way? If yes, then no thanks. I'm asking what can be done? And the other question is why did it turn out this way when it, on paper, has so much going for it? Did FIAT cripple it on purpose not to annoy Ferrari? On paper it should be better than a XK8 or XKR. But these two would ran rounds around it on a track. And neither is a full on sports car either. So this is not an excuse. They are also just luxury GTs. So I'm not comparing the Maserati to a Porsche 911 or Cayman. But the Maserati has so much more going for it technically. So what happened?

As for Maserati owners only wanting to hear praise, which at least is what I understood about your implication they won't like me because I pointed faults with the car, so how else should I point out the problems with the cars if I'm not allowed to criticize? Do Maserati owners think the cars are perfect? Do any Italian car owners? I know I don't.

I think more credit should be given to the people here. I'm pretty sure not every owner will be hurt because I criticize the car. After all this is not kindergarten.
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I suggest you save up for an Ftype. Nice car- starting to come down in price. I definitely would not buy a car that I would not like to drive....
And yes- relying on a scripted entertainment to get truthful opinion is a bit far fetched....
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I suggest you save up for an Ftype. Nice car- starting to come down in price. I definitely would not buy a car that I would not like to drive....
And yes- relying on a scripted entertainment to get truthful opinion is a bit far fetched....
The F-type is indeed a great sports car. But it's also a 2 seater. And if I wanted a Jaguar that drives better I would not even need to go for a F-type. The XKR already does and I would not have sold my XKR. I want to get back into Italian cars.

What are you implying with the whole scripted entertainment deal?

For starters I tested 3 cars myself. Secondly, entertainment or not, opinions of reviewers are still valid. They will not piss all over it just for entertainment if they like the car. If they don't like it, there must be a reason. Thirdly, it was not only 1 scripted entertainment show that panned the Maserati. And also written press. Read magazines too?

But nobody is relying on anything other than self experience here. Outside reviews are merely an extra side to the equation.

And the interesting bit of this thread and perhaps a telling one is, even after all the nice words I had for the Maserati, it seems people can't look passed the criticism to what amounts to one of the many parts of the car. I'm new here. But I'm wondering if this is one of those forums where people have very thin skin and only want to hear praise?

Because the choice to overlook all the good things I pointed out about the car and focus only on the single critic, the handling and chose to be ruffled up by it is curious.
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Rating "handling" is totally subjective. It depends on what the car was designed for, its mechanical state and is also totally a function of driver expectations. You'll never get agreement.

Why did I buy my 2002 Spyder? Because it's the automotive buy of a lifetime, to me I got 80% of a Ferrari for less than 20% of the cost. But then I'm happy with 80% of a Ferrari and you might not be.
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Wannabe in what sense? I'm not sure what you are talking about there.

No, I don't like the car. Well, not the way it is. I like how it looks. But it doesn't drive how it looks. Should I not buy it then because I don't like a side of it? Not before I educate myself. Maybe there is a solution. And this is why I'm here, trying to speak with owners.

Yes, you are right. After I tried the first one I had to try more to see if the problem was the particular car or was the model itself. So you are right. I drove enough cars that I got a pretty good picture and yes, I don't like the handling the way it is.

But my question was, do I have to take it that way? If yes, then no thanks. I'm asking what can be done? And the other question is why did it turn out this way when it, on paper, has so much going for it? Did FIAT cripple it on purpose not to annoy Ferrari? On paper it should be better than a XK8 or XKR. But these two would ran rounds around it on a track. And neither is a full on sports car either. So this is not an excuse. They are also just luxury GTs. So I'm not comparing the Maserati to a Porsche 911 or Cayman. But the Maserati has so much more going for it technically. So what happened?

As for Maserati owners only wanting to hear praise, which at least is what I understood about your implication they won't like me because I pointed faults with the car, so how else should I point out the problems with the cars if I'm not allowed to criticize? Do Maserati owners think the cars are perfect? Do any Italian car owners? I know I don't.

I think more credit should be given to the people here. I'm pretty sure not every owner will be hurt because I criticize the car. After all this is not kindergarten.
Now I wonder who is the one with this skin haha.
It is really pretty simple.
1. Why would you buy a car that you don't like driving?
2. Do you know what it is that you don't like?
(suspension, steering?, if suspension is it spring rates, rebound, geometry?, if steering is it feedback, power assist, geometry?)
3.If you know what it is you don't like are you competent to fix it? Do you know somebody that is? But you have to know what to fix first.
If you go to a specialist and tell him to" make it handle better" it is too vague.
If you don't know but like your Jag just keep driving your jag.
You just sound a bit ....neurotic, very common on internet forums....https://www.truthhawk.com/web-forums...oticism-viral/
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I own a 2006 Maserati Coupe GT, it handles many times better than my girlfriends old 2006 Mustang GT convertible. Not even close. Not even comparable. I'd say it rides and handles a little bit better than the 1999 and 2003 corvettes I have owned. Gas mileage is worse but the trans gearing is a little steeper. I think Maserati did a great job with the gear ratios between 1st and 5th gears. 6th gear could use a better overdrive. Best advantage over the Corvette is getting in and out is much easier. Maybe the 3 cars you tested had problems or been abused, after all they are over 10 years old.

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Now I wonder who is the one with this skin haha.
It is really pretty simple.
1. Why would you buy a car that you don't like driving?
2. Do you know what it is that you don't like?
(suspension, steering?, if suspension is it spring rates, rebound, geometry?, if steering is it feedback, power assist, geometry?)
3.If you know what it is you don't like are you competent to fix it? Do you know somebody that is? But you have to know what to fix first.
If you go to a specialist and tell him to" make it handle better" it is too vague.
If you don't know but like your Jag just keep driving your jag.
You just sound a bit ....neurotic, very common on internet forums....https://www.truthhawk.com/web-forums...oticism-viral/


That's a fantastic article which perfectly describes something that I have never noticed until now. I believe I'm even guilty of it myself! Thank you for sharing.


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As far as handling goes, for me, I'd say it's about 90% positive. My current suspension is all stock, and base. My front shocks are kind of shot now, and I will need to buy new coil overs soon.

I do most of my driving in the canyons, and some of that is fairly tight stuff. Overall my coupe handles excellently on these roads, with much better steering & road "feel" than most of the other sports/sporty cars I have owned (many and varied).

I also have autoxed this car once, and this is where you can really find out the strengths and weakness of handling. No big surprises while autoxing, but the amount of understeer really increases to the point that it's a hindrance. This might have been exacerbated due to my front shocks being in bad shape. I plan to do another autox after I put new suspension on, and I suspect that I will be pleasantly rewarded with even better handling and hopefully less understeer. To be continued.

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I find the handling acceptable on my spyder. The XK8's and XKR's I have driven are like marshmallows in comparison, while the F type is similar. In sport mode and with the DBW module on I find it easy to break the back loose coming out of corners. The trick is to not overdo it and have the ASR cut the power. But I'm not ready to turn it off yet.

But one thing is for certain: my XK8 is far superior for a long cruise or trip.

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Guys, don't feed the troll. Nothing but vague statements derived from other sources that clearly don't represent the realities of these cars nor do they reflect any real experience or knowledge of the OP. No substance, just some kid in mom's basement yanking chains. Don't waste your time.

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MS2017 - I can tell you they can be made to handle exceptionally well. I have a 2005 GranSport that I got into after Porsche 911 - I just loved the looks and interior of the Maserati. I have to say I was somewhat disappointed with the handling, but not surprised as it was never intended to be a 911. However, stepping back, I recognized the basics are there, as you have noted, reasonable weight, great weight distribution and very good horsepower that sounds FANTASTIC! So, I went to work with Formula Dynamics and after spending more money than I probably should of done, I have a car that handles, accelerates, brakes, sounds and looks absolutely great. Don't give up on your dream! If you PM me, I will get you my cell number and we can talk more details. In fact, I have recently decided to change hobbies and I'm considering selling my car - a car that would fulfill your dream, if I decide to sell it. PM me if you would like to talk.
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