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So is the clutch problem on the 6-speed or the ...

F1? I mean a clutch wearing out after 18,000 miles is pretty alarming. By the way, you guys made great points. I'm getting interested again and thank you very, very much.
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If the thought of clutch replacement bothers you, it is probably wise to pass on the car. Maseratis are not daily drivers for the most part. While they make great noises and have an animal appeal, they are not Honda Civics as far as reliability. The parts are insanely overpriced and the dealers charge way too much. Mine sits in the garage a lot, but I love taking it out on occasion only to remember what may be lurking as far as future repairs.
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If the thought of clutch replacement bothers you, it is probably wise to pass on the car. Maseratis are not daily drivers for the most part. While they make great noises and have an animal appeal, they are not Honda Civics as far as reliability. The parts are insanely overpriced and the dealers charge way too much. Mine sits in the garage a lot, but I love taking it out on occasion only to remember what may be lurking as far as future repairs.
I respectfully disagree. There are many people here on the forum that use theirs as daily drivers. That is after all one of the missions of Maserati. In essence a daily driver Ferrari with more creature comforts and luxury in general while still producing that addictive Italian V8 growl and performance that makes Italian sports cars so special. I use mine for everything but my 1 mile commute to work and tooling around on South Beach (streets are like a washboard so a little bumpy in sports mode). No issues in 2 years - just regular fluid changes. As can be seen from many threads on here the clutch life is mostly related to your own driving style. Drive it in automatic and back up hills and your clutch will wear out quickly, while once you get the hang of the F1 (which is a blast to drive in my opinion) and keep it in sports mode for quicker gear changes it could last up to 40,000 miles, which is about 8 years for the average Maserati driver. There seems to be no evidence that the standard manual GT version has much more clutch life - again driving style - if you say hang on the clutch all the time it will wear out. My original point on the 18,000 miles was that not knowing the driving style of the previous owner you can use this as a bargaining tool and get the price down or at least make sure you have the clutch inspected before you take the plunge so you know what you are getting in to. Just did not want it to come as surprise when after a month of ownership you are hit with several thousand dollars for a clutch change.

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the threads. Problems, breakdowns, performance issues, exorbitant costs, bad investments, etc. I'm just grateful that you guys are honest about all of these issues. I mean a Maserati needs a clutch after 18,000 miles?! Good Lord. I'm kind of numb right now.
To be clear, there are no/few "performance issues" and breakdowns are relatively rare. On the other hand, many people would consider maintenance and repair costs as very high. As for the investment angle, Maserati depreciation really isn't any different than a $100K+ Mercedes or BMW. They all depreciate far and fast.

Clutch life is short compared to a VW but in line with other Italian sports cars/grand tourers.

I'd love to see more people buy these cars but.... if something like a $5K clutch job every few years scares you, move on to something more docile. These cars are far from cheap to fix when things really go wrong and break.

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I'd love to see more people buy these cars but.... if something like a $5K clutch job every few years scares you, move on to something more docile. These cars are far from cheap to fix when things really go wrong and break.
On the other hand, I'll bet he spends more than that on an annualized average on each of his Shelby's, or at least has done so in some years, if he's had them for awhile.



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On the other hand, I'll bet he spends more than that on an annualized average on each of his Shelby's, or at least has done so in some years, if he's had them for awhile.
I can't speak for the OP but that just may be his problem. It didn't sound like he was selling the Fords. If they are expensive the maintain too, adding another car like this may just run costs above his comfort level.

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I can't speak for the OP but that just may be his problem. It didn't sound like he was selling the Fords. If they are expensive the maintain too, adding another car like this may just run costs above his comfort level.
True, but my point was that here is an individual that's used to laying out some coin for his cars & likely various maintenance (or perhaps even some kind of restorations) thereof; so, should he really be shocked that another type of vehicle should also require a larger commitment than your routine $30 Lube & Go oil change?

Then again, considering the history of Shelby & Ferrari, having a Ferrari engine living on the same property as his Shelbys might not be a good idea... park one of the Shelbys too close to the Masi, and you might wake up one morning to find that you've somehow torn a hole in the space-time continuum. Maybe he should get a Pantera instead.



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To answer your original question, $29,000 for an '02 Spyder with 18K seems a bit high to me. Maybe try to agree on $23K-$24K?

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Dont give up!!

I bought my 04 Spyder last year to use as a daily driver. It's amazing. There just is nothing else out there that can compare, particularly in this price range. I'm putting in a new clutch now at 25k miles, it totally depends on your driving style and clutch use. If you're a highway driver, members are reporting much longer life. I also have a number of days with it on the track so I feel I'm doing pretty well.

Remember the 02 was the first model year and there were some issues with cowl shake. A perfect car with 18K miles should be $25K or so. I went for the later model year to get the glass rear window and cowl shake fix. Planning on keeping this baby for quite a while and making it my every other day car soon.

I use my local independent for oil, brakes, small issues. Going to the Mas specialist for clutch, performance upgrades. The combo keep it easy, affordable, and relatively hassle free.

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OK, so if I buy a Maserati I plan on going for the....

long-term investment. Therefore, I was going to buy an '02 as it is the first year of the Spyder. Agree or disagree? I was also going with the 6-speed vs. the F1 transmission. Agree or disagree? On a side note, the Shelby's maintenance is very minimal compared to what you guys have told me on here. Once again, thanks for all of your help!!!
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I don't think we'll see much investment value over the years unless you keep it.....forever. The ROI comes in the form of smiles rather than dollars. I'd get a more recent year for the reasons mentioned by Sprocket and just really enjoy the ride every chance you get. I spent a helluva lot of money for my Spyder a few years ago and have been crushed by depreciation but, you know what? It hasn't bothered me in the least because I don't look at this as an investment. I plan on keeping my car as long as I can still get parts for her - and I hope that's a very, very long time.

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long-term investment. Therefore, I was going to buy an '02 as it is the first year of the Spyder. Agree or disagree? I was also going with the 6-speed vs. the F1 transmission. Agree or disagree? On a side note, the Shelby's maintenance is very minimal compared to what you guys have told me on here. Once again, thanks for all of your help!!!
Get the newest model that you can afford. The cars only got better over the years and none will ever have any sort of collectors value.

As for transmission type, drive both and see which one you prefer. Both are excellent. If you go with an early year car (2002/2003), make sure the F1 pump and clutch have both been upgraded. 2002 models had a single tang clutch that was updated and early year F1 cars had a pump that was later updated with a more reliable unit.

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